Need a politics-free safe space? It’s called “going for a walk”
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Need a politics-free safe space? It’s called stop supporting people who want me dead.
Like I genuinely get mad when people say stuff like “I don’t want politics in my x” or whatever, because YEAH. ME FUCKING TOO. Do you know how much I would love not feeling on the defensive at all times due to the pending casual extermination of people like me that you are either supporting or ignoring??? If all the libs wanted me to be a lib like them they could have simply not made me life hell.
This is the point everyone misses. They forget that other people have problems even if it’s not happening to them
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The difference is just a scratch.
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The expression (don’t know the origin) is “scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.” Basically pointing out the historical tendency of liberals to prefer a fascist-managed capitalism if their interests are threatened or it becomes clear the liberal order won’t last (and could be replaced from the left).
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tyranny of the majority
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Except, sometimes they are very much liberals
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I stopped and nothing changed, please advise.
Firstly, that sounds like a shit situation to be in, so please don’t think I’m dismissing your struggles here.
I don’t live in the same country as you and I have no power to even slightly affect your political situation. I read enough bad news about stuff that I at least have a chance to get involved in that sometimes I want to read some funnies on the internet without having to read about another shit situation. It’s not because I don’t care, it’s because it’s not worth stressing out further about something I cannot do anything about.
So yeah, that’s why people don’t want so see US politics everywhere. Just because something is very important doesn’t mean it’s very important to everyone.
So yeah, that’s why people don’t want so see US politics everywhere. Just because something is very important doesn’t mean it’s very important to everyone.
You’ll be happy to know that our news megathread is truly an international one because you get to hear about stuff from around the world
“I just don’t want to see your suffering”
Do you want to see people suffering? Because that’s fucked up.
The bare minimum you can do is listen when someone is in pain and stand witness when they are under attack. I want to see when people are suffering, so I can figure out how to help, or at very least show solidarity. Obviously I can’t take this in at all hours of every day, but that’s time I spend alone or with an IRL friend, not on an online messaging board.
Other way round for me, my IRL time contains the serious shit, I come online for escapism
I don’t know why you would go on the “people talking about events” platform and being surprised people are talking about events that aren’t happy. That’s just poor planning. I mean yeah, be there for your friends, but you should be able to have light or pleasant conversation pretty often, and steer away from troubling topics when you aren’t up for it, far easier than online.
Trans rights are important to everyone and under threat in most of the world, so disagree
These are all global problems because they’re caused by global systems lead by a global hegemon, the United States
How do you know what country they live in and if the issue is relavent in your country or not?
I’m getting the impression from Lemmy that there’s an overrepresentation of the particular demographic of comfortable middle-aged bookish software engineers who live in the US or Canada.
It’s reddit rejects so what do you think
comfortable middle-aged bookish software engineers who live in the US or Canada.
That seems to be like 95% of both reddit’s and lemmy’s (or some other federated instances’) user-bases.
On the other hand there’s also an overrepresentation of tankies. I don’t think those are the same people.
“Tankie” is to liberals as “woke” is to conservative liberals and fascists.
What word would you prefer to someone who tells you to your face that they intend to “put you up against the wall” and then asks if you “know what that means, you fucking lib”?
I mean, I’m a demsoc, and of the last 20 death threats I have received in my life, 15 came from people who identify as Communist-Leninist. PLEASE give me a better word for them.
Funny because of the dozens, if not hundreds, of death threats I’ve gotten, practically all of them come from zionists, NAFOs, keyboard nazis or the occasional trumpeteer.
Oh yeah!? Well I’ve received thousands, no, millions of death threats!
Who are you people?
Full disclosure, as a leftist I avoid those far-right areas like the plague. I’m quite certain I would receive more far-right death threats if I did not.
so you admit that you get mostly leftist death threats because you avoid groups that would send more?
Tankies don’t get death threats from other tankies? I’m shocked!
no but trans people get death threats from “anti-tankies”
Can confirm
You sound like a vooshite when you talk in this childish way, aren’t you embarrassed
What word would you prefer to someone who tells you to your face that they intend to “put you up against the wall” and then asks if you “know what that means, you fucking lib”?
Based
How many leftists do you have to execute to earn your colors?
I see no leftist here
You don’t know the difference between a demsoc and a socdem. You’re not any kind of socialist, just a lib who likes the idea of being seen as leftist.
And I bet you’re fun at parties. Please oh great psychic, tell me more about myself?
And actually, I do know the difference between demsoc and socdem. The formal definition for Social Democrat is “a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.” That we are constantly painted as “filthy liberal” for wanting to respect the will of the majority is a disappointing and disgusting lie. And the ONLY people who accuse socdems of being fake leftists? TANKIES. Who are not, by any meaningful definition, more left than those of us with a soul.
The only way I’m not a leftist is if your version of leftism says “fuck people, freedom, or democracy”. In **your ** version of leftism, are you ok with being the 1% ruling by force against 99% who hate you? Think very carefully before replying to that.
And I bet you’re fun at parties
Social Democrat is “a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.”
That’s what a demsoc is. Social democrats support capitalism with social programs.
Who are not, by any meaningful definition, more left than those of us with a soul.
Speaking of succdems look how even in their mind palace they’re already dehumanizing anyone to the left of them. This helps when they cooperate with and enable fascist parties like they do every time in history. “Tankies don’t have a soul and they’re going to kill you first so it’s okay to let the nazis kill them actually” I’m a REAL leftist :D
Social Democrat is “a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.”
That’s what a demsoc is. Social democrats support capitalism with social programs.
You should tell Webster they’re wrong. And Wikipedia. And Brittanica.
By their definitions, a Socdem’s insistence on using democracy at all costs is what differentiates between them and demsocs.
By why is it so important for you to insist everyone use your nonstandard definition of the terms? Also, your calling us “succdems” tells me exactly everything I need to know about your permission. If I’m not willing to murder people, I’m less than human to you enough to be given a silly nickname.
“Tankies don’t have a soul and they’re going to kill you first so it’s okay to let the nazis kill them actually” I’m a REAL leftist :D
At this moment, you’re on the wrong side of the “First they came for” poem because you’re the one rejecting the Left.
God, you’re such a big dumb idiot of a lib. That’s the definition of a democratic socialist, not a social democrat - you can tell by the way one of the groups are call socialists and the others are called democrats. Not only did you mix up your definitions, but you never actually managed to define democratic socialist - do you really know what the difference is if you can’t even remember to talk about one of them? The answer, scrolling down your post history to where you called yourself a socdem, is no, you think they’re the exact same thing, because you don’t even have a surface level understanding of leftism. It only takes 5 minutes in leftist spaces to discover that anarchists, socialists, and communists of all flavour hate socdems for exactly your “no really, somehow we’ll manage to vote socialism in this time” attitude, but you’ve never spent a single minute in them, because you’re not a leftist.
My version of leftism is called Marxism and is based in historical reality and current material conditions. Your version is fantastical utopianism that’s convinced the elite are just going to give up the reigns any day now.
Communist
How many leftists do you have to execute to earn your colors?
None, just liberals willing to go along to get along with fascists. Which you are.
Death threats are an inappropriate and disproportiate response but have you considered that it is because you’re more irritating to the left than you are to the right? Especially given how right wingers historically are massively more violent?
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Oh fuck off lol. The biggest instance literally preemptively removedd from everyone left of Bernie Sanders. Go back to reddit if you’re afraid of getting called out for being politically illiterate.
I’m guessing your autocorrect didn’t like the word “defederated” and turned it into a word that’s a slur if you don’t include the ‘d’ at the end? lol
also I agree with your comment.
edit- Who wouldn’t want to be called an outfox?
Lol yeah I was on my way back from my lunch break when I typed that no clue what it autocorrected too
I’m guessing it dropped the F and rearranged the rest into the R slur. I can’t think of any other word with most of those letters, and it is a word otuside of the slur context, a verb meaning “to slow down”
Defederate but with a g for the f and a n for the d is also filtered iirc.
yep that was probably it lol
Are the tankies in the room with us right now sweetie?
Hell yeah we are
No, they’re distributed. And federated.
I’m coming to put you in the gulag and seize your property
there’s no such thing as a tankie, the word literally has no meaning
Death to America
Death to all tankies, hooyah America, KILL THE BEAR. Ready to set 1SQ for strategic nuclear launch! Fuck the Kremlin, and fuck the CCP!
Okay so I followed the first part, you want Russians dead and all that, it’s the thing rn. But you realize saying “launch the nukes” is exactly the same thing as “death to America” but with more steps, right?
What can I say, I want to actually do the job I trained for sometimes. Besides, the way the qoeld is going makes me less and less hesitant to actually flip the toggle switch when the order comes. Maybe that’s the point.
get help please
You don’t even know the name of the party. Don’t speak on things you clearly know nothing about
I know they’re Great Power Conflict adversaries, and I know my job is to put warheads on foreheads when directed. Everything else is just ammo for the IC community, SW, SO and MISO. Hooyah America.
tankies
Did you mean communists? Common westerner mistake
Not all communists are tankies but all tankies are authoritarian trash.
You’ve been lied to. All are treated as equally too far left, hence all commieș are tąnkies.
“Everyone to the left of me isn’t being actively purged from the platform and it’s not to my tastes”
Fucking leave then
Lol, that’s not what they said at all. Somebody seems a little defensive.
What’s a tankie?
Someone who supports the rights of those in the global south
Hell yea
Lmao
Frankly i don’t think there’s nearly enough tankies to offset the neolibs but i have a feeling I’m in the minority. Eh! Fun times we’re in
I’m a demsoc. I want to respect Communism more, but I never get death threats from liberals and do occasionally get death threats from Tankies.
It sucks because I feel they’d make a good ally to compromise with if they weren’t hoping to have me executed for not supporting an authoritarian seizure of power.
Well, i can’t speak to your experience but I’m a commie who doesn’t dig a forced central planning authority. Or death threats even!
For my part i get called a “traitor” and such by libs often, simply for criticizing the DNC et al.
But your point stands, no death threats.
Well, i can’t speak to your experience but I’m a commie who doesn’t dig a forced central planning authority. Or death threats even!
Well that’s a breath of fresh air. That’s very different from what I’ve seen. I do have to point out what I said elsewhere, that I feel Communists have a responsibility to speak against violent communism, the same way “good cops” can only be good if they speak out against bad cops. (I know how most Communists feel about police, but at least I hope you can appreciate the intent of the parallel)
For my part i get called a “traitor” and such by libs often, simply for criticizing the DNC et al.
I think using the word “traitor” in a situation like that is terrible. I do take it personally if someone treats the DNC as “just as bad as Trump” after he managed to cause an unprecedented amount of devastation between his immigration policies, “pay me” COVID handling, and open hatred of marginalized groups and “great people on both sides” support for groups like the KKK… But as much as I am disappointed when people put even a moderate like Biden in the same boat as him, I wouldn’t use the word “traitor”.
But your point stands, no death threats.
I would love if I met more Communists who are more willing to have constructive conversation with the other Leftist groups, instead of the ones that group all of us in a wide-net neoliberal basket that includes everyone from Bernie Sanders to Adolf Hitler. So, thank you :)
By the silent downvote I take it that you think getting so many death threats is normal and not possibly linked to being an extremely weird person who argues with perhaps even weirder people
Which “silent downvote” are you talking about?
And how exactly did you conclude I’m a “weird person” in this scenario? Obviously I’m arguing with weirder people, we’re talking about tankies.
EDIT: Just looked through your post history and cannot seem to find any I downvoted.
Come off of it. You are not getting death threats from MLs. You just want to feel self-important
Bingo Im bisexual and based on history alone there is no version of socialism that has not been horrible for me except the GDR for a few years at the very end of 1985-92.
You have my sympathy. Even when I was actively involved with pro-LGBTQ movements, there were people marching for rights that that didn’t respect bisexuals.
Thanks
Do you ever think maybe it’s weird that you get many death threats? I think have ever had one in my life and I’ve conversed with many many mentally… unhealthy people
I’m a Social Democrat, who used to be a Democratic Socialist. The Right sees me as a Communist and McCarthyism kicks in. Did you hear about the “Physical Removal” movement? A meme-like movement about giving the Left helicopter rides to the middle of the ocean. I lived in a farm town where 40% of the voters were overcompensating for the Right not being able to win a rural area by being very outspoken anti-left.
And then, the Left. When I considered myself to be a demsoc, I tried to hang out in LSC on reddit. Not sure if you know it, but they eventually got banned for all the death threats coming out of there. There is an attitude around some percent of Communists that non-Communist lives don’t matter. They might be a minority, but they’re outspoken.
That was what got me to realize the flaw in being a demsoc, and I shifted laterally (NOT to the Right as several people like to pretend) to Social Democrat. Then I got more death threats because Communists have a hard-on of insisting Socdems are literally the same category as fascists.
I DO think it’s weird that I’ve gotten and get death threats over my views, and I understand why so many people my age have given up having any views at all and just become “I just vote a party and go about my day” folks that are part of the problem.
Lies! I went outside and I saw a poster about CLIMATE CHANGE, and then I turned the corner and heard a family complaining about minimum wage being too low! So unfair, I just want to be ignorant of other people’s suffering.
“Why do people want to talk about stuff that affects their daily lives so damn much???”
I just want a picture of a got dang hot dog
Lemmy has some very aggressive communists.
I’ve been lucky enough to dodge the crazy right wingers though.
i wonder if maybe not having right wingers has something to do with having aggressive communists to run hem off.No. It must be lib magic
I’m fine with the lesser of two evils.
Thats a real self own. Do you think you voted away the “greater evil”, or libs did anything to make them go away?
You are the lesser evil. And we’re not fine with you.
Ok, buddy
I’m not your buddy lib. Why would i be your buddy when you think I’m comparable to a fascist?
I’m supposed to trip over myself to be civil to you when you call us the “lesser evil” to fascism?
Lol
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Damn, we found their trigger word! Lesser evil! LESSER EVIL!
It’s funny how hypocritical you are right now, too. You wanna label “liberals” as fascist, but get all pissy when the same happens to you with the same amount of credibility.
What’s funny is that you lot all seem to fail to realize that “Liberalism” is not inherently left or right wing, unless you are a reductionist who doesn’t believe that social liberalism exists and only believe Classic Liberalism exists. You all talk big about your political knowledge and how nuanced your beliefs are, and then you fall victim to the classic conservative notion of reductionism. Seeing “lib” used as an insult around here is just as hilariously pathetic as all the “snowflake” shit
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It’s funny how
What’s funny is
Terminal reddit brained response
I never called a lib a fascist. Liberalism is inherently right wing because its the ideology of capitalism. I understand that there’s distinctions between different types of liberals, and between them and fascists. I did call libs like you and the other poster, to use their phrase “the lesser evil” because you support capital but arent fascists.
If you don’t like being lumped in with other right wing tendencies then stop supporting capital. Its not our fault that reality is marxist
social liberalism
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Way to drop that mask, chud.
Are you still mad about Anita Sarkeesian’s videos, too?
What’s funny is
It’s funny that
it’s ironic that
you like it that
it’s interesting that
enraged liberals try to mask their rage behind passive aggressive openers like that.
This is their fourth attempt at this comment
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You know what I’ll take it
Which is ironic considering that you guys are the ones always claiming that people can’t handle having their views challenged.
Nah I’m pretty sure it’s the same reason why Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus are never seen in a room together
Yes I go into a phone booth as my normal commie antifa self and come out as Chudly Dugsfermpt local pool supply company owner and lover of Milton Friedman
meanwhile in the real world it’s liberals and fascists who are joined at the hip https://orgrad.wordpress.com/articles/liberalism-the-two-faced-tyranny-of-wealth/
Wait are you trying to say we’re the same people?
Or that the reason is so simple why we’re not in the same rooms together that a child should be able to understand it?
I think the implication is we’re addicted to a magical potion that transforms us into an evil alter ego who causes mischief in town
And then we get to hang out with Abbott and Costello
Sounds rad
Stop making leftists sound cool
And then we get to hang out with Abbott and Costello
It’s just a single monk:
Yeah I might be pushing for universal liberation during the day but at night I put on my maga hat and try to create fun new unjust hierarchies /s
yeah sure the people who want everyone fed and housed for free and who require pronouns are right wing.
Yes, every night I stop being a bisexual trans communist and put on my MAGA-Man leotard superhero suit and start ranting about immigrants and the woke gender ideology to people on the street
Almost like the very aggressive communists have a nose for right wing nut jobs and relentlessly hound them until they log out
I think that’s awful an immature behavior. When you fight idiocy with aggression (at least on social media) you just get idiots who think they must be right and start truth social or something
How do you deal with fascists? Facts and logic in the free marketplace of ideas™?
I usually just ignore them.
I find that a lot of crazy right wingers do it to “own the libs” or get a rise out of their supposed enemies. It’s all just a sports game to people like that.
If you ignore them they get bored and stop being so staunch in their awful beliefs. When you fight with them it makes them feel like they’re right. You end up forcing them to rationalize every shitty position.
Almost nobody posts on the internet trying to challenge and reconsider their beliefs, so it’s not like you’re going to change their mind anyway.
I mean that’s what I think, at least
I usually just ignore them.
Does ignoring the fascists make them go away? Please.
If you ignore them they get bored and stop being so staunch in their awful beliefs. When you fight with them it makes them feel like they’re right. You end up forcing them to rationalize every shitty position.
So now you’re accusing us of making fascists more fascist, as an excuse for your ridiculous theory of just ignoring fascism.
like you’re going to change their mind anyway.
Its not even about changing their minds. Its about forcing them out of shared spaces. Fascists should driven out, shamed, harassed, and redacted.
What you think is lib bullshit that gets your spaces infiltrated and taken over by fascists and reactionaries.
You want to ignore them fine, but don’t condescend to people who confront them and drive them out of shared spaces as if you have a more “mature” solution. Your solution is literally “if i close my eyes they go away” baby logic
And here we see an aggressive communist in the wild. You have a good day, dude
You said a bunch a bullshit and got called on it. Agressive much tankie.
Fuck all the way off dude
We actually study history and read shit. Like I just finished reading Long Walk to Freedom & Armed and Dangerous, both are a fairly good firsthand on how “fascists” respond to non-violence and only start to have reservations when the oppressed shoot back.
Oh and
“The real fascists are the fascists who won’t let me fascist 😭”
Cool story bro
Why is aggressive a bad thing?
I usually just ignore them.
You save your hatred for those scary tankies because you have not shut up yet.
When you fight with them it makes them feel like they’re right. You end up forcing them to rationalize every shitty position.
Literal fascist talking point. “Look what you made me do”
I mean that’s what I think, at least
Investigate before you start thinking next time. Are trans children out there looking for fights just by existing or is your belief that fascists need to be provoked first founded on nothing but bullshit?
Thanks for ignoring the people who want us dead, very mature and polite of you!!!
Yknow I’m talking about on social media platforms, right?
Frothing at the mouth raging at someone on a social media platform doesn’t do anything but cause more radicalization, so I just ignore people instead. I don’t spend most of my life fighting with people on the internet over politics.
Frothing at the mouth raging at someone on a social media platform doesn’t do anything but cause more radicalization
Are you deadass actually suggesting that people are transphobic ableist nazis because communists go after nazis online?
or are you saying that it radicalizes more people into avid antifacsist communists, which is an unambiguously good thing (unless youre on team nazi)
This is a real question, please answer.
I don’t spend most of my life fighting with people on the internet over politics.
You won’t push back on fascists, but you can’t shut up when pushing back against people who believe in pushing back fascism.
cause more radicalization
Its been pointed out multiple times now that this is literally a fascist talking point. Pushing back against fascism is not what makes people fascist. In fact its how we protect the targets of fascism on shared spaces online or off.
As has also been pointed out to you some people just existing is seen as an incitement by fascists. What are they supposed to do? They can’t just ignore threats and the invalidation of their humanity. That you can shut your eyes to that says a lot about you.
Regardless of handwringing about it, the fact remains that we’ve driven out and proud fascists off of lemmy instances that we’re federated with. The simple existence of hexbear pulls the Lemmy overton window so far left that social democrats are now the right wingers - this is a good thing.
immature
The most maturity obsessed internet people, like you, act like smug adult children while policing the maturity of others.
Are you fucking kidding me m8?
This shit is ridiculous, look at what you posted!!
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It’s like studying an ecosystem; once you see the fascists, the aggression of the communists suddenly makes sense
Except many of the communists on some instances call everything that isn’t their brand of authoritarian communism “fascism” which isn’t how things work IRL.
I call those crazy left wingers.
Hey I’m not an aggressive communist. I like to think I’m a pretty laid back communist.
I mean unless we’re talking about the rich. But like my whole political ideology kinda hinges on aggression in that direction so…
Hey yknow that’s a good point.
I mean unless we’re talking about the rich. But like my whole political ideology kinda hinges on aggression in that direction so…
I think the common Communist definition of “Rich” and Marx’s might differ vastly, and I think the vagueness of the word is half the reason. I see too many Communists calling for the death to (for example) computer programmers because many of them are able to save up a couple million by retirement. I know a few that ended up with $10M cash because they worked for a profit-share startup. While I’m not an expert on Marx, I’m pretty sure that’s not what he meant when he referred to the bourgeoisie.
Hell, I don’t think he ever predicted the massive number of “petite bourgeoisie” that we have now in much of the west, people who put in 60-80 hours simply to live the same life the rest of us live but not have to obediently answer a boss. I’d do that if I could. You’d think Communists could make allies of both the successful proles (like programmers) and the petite bourgeoisie.
If you draw “rich” somewhere close to the $100M mark or higher and include some asterisks on the ones you think should be murdered in the streets (assuming that’s what you meant by “unless we’re talking about the rich”), maybe most people will agree you’re not an aggressive communist (but still be terrified of you like we are of anyone who wants to kill someone for who they are). If you’re going to look at a grandma who has $2M in savings after her husband dies, the world’s got problems with you.
I mean, if you want to peacefully dismantle people like Musk, then I’m 100% on board with you. If you would support someone taking sudden and violent force to him, as much as I think he’s a douche, that’s why we use the word “aggressive”.
And yet nobody minds the aggression of capitalism and the right on anybody other than well off cishet white men 🤔
Across the country LGBTQIA people are being actively censured, stripped of their right to exist, and outright physically assaulted. There’s no concerted trend trend to bitch about THAT violence, but mention a guillotine and half the fediverse comes out to cry about how we’re all just meanie tankies out to murder anybody who makes more than minimum wage.
And yet nobody minds the aggression of capitalism and the right on anybody other than well off cishet white men 🤔
Really? NOBODY minds that? I can’t be pro-LGBTQIA without believing that any possible system except strict communism will work? You’re talking black & white thinking, the same as the anti-LGBTQ extremists. There are miles of Left, even far left, that aren’t Authoritarian Communism (that isn’t authoritarianism but does involve Dictatorship of the Proletariat and the exertion of authority. I was fucking THERE, marching there, when they legalized gay marriage in my state, one of the first in my country. I had a good friend be in the first 50 gay marriages in my state. Does it not count if I’m not a Tankie? All my friends who were out there risking their safety against the Catholic alt-right violence in my state didn’t count?
Look, you touched a nerve here, and I’m trying to take a breath. Maybe I misread you. Are you genuinely trying to say that you can’t oppose far-right violence without being a Communist? Or (perhaps just as bad) are you trying to say that if I’m not ok with violence against queer and transgender individuals that I need to be ok with violence against all liberals?
And I’d like to quantify that I got hit this morning with a dozen replies putting me in the “liberal them” pile, basically agreeing that if I don’t strongly support violence against the non-Communist supermajority, I’m a liberal and have no right to call myself a leftist. I hate the tearing down of the pacifist Left I keep seeing.
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Interesting. I’m not a Tankie a tall. That’s kinda the point.
with no gender and no country
Wow. How many people would you murder to preserve your precious gender identity?
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I have no problem with an individual acquiring wealth on the fruit of their own individual labor. The computer programmer getting a buy out from a venture capitalist has successfully gamed the system without being personally responsible for harm to others. At least directly. Usually.
My problem is with people who exploit the labor of others for profit. No billionaire earns that last zero without causing harm. They perpetuate violence for profit, knowingly. That violence can take a lot of forms, from unsafe working conditions all the way down to actual fucking slavery.
The thing is, you can’t participate in capitalism without either extreme ignorance or at least a little complacency towards that violence. And fine, there’s little to nothing most of us can do about it. You exist in this system, you’re a part of it. You’re either ok with others doing violence on your behalf so you can have a bit of chocolate in your breakfast croissant, or you aren’t.
I don’t see a peaceful remedy to this problem. We can talk about theory, about “yeah just organize and vote” until we’re blue in the face but the reality is that system is actively rigged against us. We can talk about organizing your workplace and demanding better conditions, but that system is actively rigged against us too, even if you’re already in a union.
We are actively rocketing towards a very bleak future and every passing day without cataclysmic change only pushes it down the line. And every day we push it back, it increases in magnitude.
So frankly, if someone is going to commit violence on my behalf, I’d rather it be directed at the problem than directed at my peers in the working class, wherever they may be.
My problem is with people who exploit the labor of others for profit. No billionaire earns that last zero without causing harm
I’m mostly on board with you. But I’d like to cite “Notch” (of Minecraft) as an example of someone who earns the last zero without causing harm. Pure fucking luck? Sure. Should be part of a society that will redistribute his wealth? Definitely. Perpetuating violence for profit? I dunno what he’s doing now, but he wasn’t when he got that billion.
The thing is, you can’t participate in capitalism without either extreme ignorance or at least a little complacency towards that violence.
As a demsoc, my whole position is described by stopping the violence from within. There are parts of capitalism that are palatable, though it will inevitably end up in a horrible state if left to stagnate. But if I had to choose between universal healthcare and welfare for all and a violent revolution that fewer than 10% of people actually want, I think the former is a better option. And despite me having a lot of the same goals as the groups seeking that revolution, they still terrify me.
You exist in this system, you’re a part of it. You’re either ok with others doing violence on your behalf so you can have a bit of chocolate in your breakfast croissant, or you aren’t.
Please understand that this terrifies me. The black & white no-middle-ground thinking is the foundation of so many atrocities. That idea that you cannot improve capitalism, or that a “better capitalism” is still identical to “others doing violence on your behalf so you can have a bit of chocolate” is the kind of madness that leads to authoritarian regimes. I’m against capitalism in general. I’m also against a smallish number of people with guns replacing capitalism with something else.
I don’t see a peaceful remedy to this problem.
Can you acknowledge that a state that over 90% of humans would be happy with is still within “the problem” for you? If not, please understand that THIS is why most people incorrectly batch Communism with Fascism. If so, please understand why you having a problem is the problem and you need to learn to differentiate between the Bidens and the Trumps. Biden is “the other side”. Trump is satan.
We can talk about theory, about “yeah just organize and vote” until we’re blue in the face but the reality is that system is actively rigged against us.
Let me be clear about this. I’m part of the same category batched as “progressives and leftists”. WE represent about 9% of the population in my home country. That part is unfortunately Democracy working as designed. Not rigged. WE should represent a larger percent of the population, but unlike Billionaires and Church Leaders, we can’t seem to find common ground between Far Left V1 and Far Left V2.
But you’re right. With less than 6% of people in your country supporting your particular views, voting is not the answer. But, IMO, neither is violence. If 6% of the country manages a coup, I will not be happy no matter how much of their views I agree with. Because that’s an authoritarian regime.
We are actively rocketing towards a very bleak future and every passing day without cataclysmic change only pushes it down the line. And every day we push it back, it increases in magnitude.
Everything you say here I agree with. But if we can’t get the support for “very bleak future” under 90%, then you’ve failed even if you temporarily succeed.
So frankly, if someone is going to commit violence on my behalf, I’d rather it be directed at the problem than directed at my peers in the working class, wherever they may be.
My wife’s best friend is Petite Bourgeoisie, she owns a breakfast diner near the local project. She makes less than her workers in all but the most perfect months. I have no problem with her. I have problem with anyone who will make her choose between surrendering her freedom not to answer to an ownership structure (even a communal ownership structure), or “going up against the wall”. Ironically, it is the part of me most sympathetic to the goals of communism that support her attempted independence from private ownership. I have, on many occasions, been told she would be in line for death or disenfranchisement. Do you understand my reservations? I PREFER an imperfect capitalism if that is the only alternative. And you might not have meant it, but you came across as saying that’s the only alternative, and by way of violence.
Whether or not notch directly hurt anyone himself. (He is now) The money he was paid was blood Money derived from persecuting destroying and monopolizing the market on Microsoft’s part.
So are you or are you not advocating for the murder of Notch? If so, I will oppose you at all costs as I would any extremist. If not, then what exactly are you disagreeing with me about?
No. Definitely not as long as he will help to work to make a more just and amicable Society. However if he or others try to violently oppress or push everyone down. All bets are off. One of the things these wealthy people need to remember is that we far outnumber them. And their money only isolates and protects them as long as we are marginally content. Should we ever get focused enough to the point to come for them. They stand no chance. So it’s in their interest to work with us. I don’t care if they have a slightly better life than average. So long as people aren’t homeless and Starving in the streets.
You frame it as killing someone for who they are (rich) while the aggressive communist frames it as what the rich have done (destroy countless lives for personal monetary gain)
Not saying that it’s ok, I wouldn’t condone murder in a public setting of course. Just saying :)
I’m not ok with the death penalty for serial killers and rapists, and I think the laws we have now (if they were enforced) cover for corruption.
I have a rule. No matter how shitty the rules, nobody should die for playing by them. Ex Post Facto protections are a hallmark of preventing justice from being another name for authoritarian persecution. Of all people, it tends to shock me that Communists struggle to see that when they are the first to back extreme versions of ACAB-attitudes.
I know rich people who are… just fucking rich and that’s it. Lottery, good job. Smart little investment. Most rich people don’t destroy lives directly for monetary gain. Is there an indirect effect between wealth distribution and suffering? SURE, but holding someone accountable by violence for something they indirectly effected when it was legal? I just can’t see it no matter how they frame it.
It’s like COVID opposition. When we didn’t have laws against their bullshit (COVID spreader parties?) it is unjust to now go back and pass a law to punish there behavior merely because it caused hundreds of thousands of extra death.
To avoid crazy right wingers go to exploding heads and block the top twenty or so posters. Now all the authoritarian dipshits Im hearing from are at least coming from a better place than the auth right.
Exactly
If I wasn’t a slave constantly in fear of malnourishment, illness, homelessness, police violence, jail and/or pain, I might not care so much.
Just work harder, plebe. Everything is working just fine (for me)
My main problem is that most of the memes aren’t even funny.
Make memes that are funny and then we can talk
Yeah, it’s literally just circlejerking the same dumb political views with different variations of “if you don’t agree you’re stupid”
I saw one an hour or two ago, literally just a YouTube video of some guy screaming “if you have a penis you’re a boy if you have a vagina you’re a girl! Got it?!” end video
Expecting memes to be funny is literally the same as voting for Trump. Memes are supposed to be brave and important, and if you don’t agree with that you’re part of the problem.
You had me at first lol
I’m genuinely curious what’s the difference between talking about our lives and politics?
Talking about inconveniences and commiserating with others is just life. Acknowledging systemic issues may be the source of your misfortune is politics.
- I had to wait aong time in traffic today.
✔️
- Public transit would be a nice alternative.
🚨🚨🚨 POLITICS DETECTED 🚨🚨🚨
Every boss, every landlord, every school board member, every person on your HOA committee you will ever interact with is deeply involved in politics and that has a direct impact on your life, whether you realize it or not.
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Maybe I can’t differentiate because people make my life political. Good for you that’s not a problem but other people exist like me and have this issue. A lot of people seem to lack awareness of others and act like they’re in the right. It’s childish.
I once worked for someone who thought like you. He was a real redneck. When I walked in, he looked at the hiring manager and rolled his eyes. I ended up doing the best out of anyone on my first day and it was physically intense. He apologized to me later because he gained an awareness that other people can exist differently without him being a bitch about it. You should learn from him.
You are the textbook definition of what we refer to as the “out to brunch liberal” who gets annoyed at how the poors caring about their conditions inconveniences your entertainment and treat consumption.
The best part about this for any marxists reading is that your user history is filled with art deco posts.
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By posting the extremely apolitical art-style that venerates capitalism lmao
And therein lies the problem, you and a lot of people like you, genuinely can’t differentiate life and politics
the problem is precisely that for us politics has a practical effect on our daily lives. we have to worry about it, and talk about it, because if we simply let things go we get absolutely fucked
good for you that your current condition makes you immune to even moderate sways in the political environment. that is not the case for millions of people, even the majority of them
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You’re literally buying into the idea that politics can be separated from life which is what capitalist media benefits from in a roundabout way. Capitalists don’t want us to think “everything is political” because it threatens their power.
Humans are political animals, “my life isn’t political” is just denying yourself agency so you don’t have to worry about exercising a part of your consciousness that is healthy and normal to exercise.
When politics imprest your life on such a level that it could mean not getting the health care you need, yeah it is part of your life, there is no difference. I think people like yourself see politics like sports, just boring talk, no one cares about your team. That’s not what it is, these are major things impacting people’s lives, and not talking about them could lead to less awareness and even more rights being taken away.
You see, if you are white, straight and male, the answer is usually a big difference. For everyone else? Likely very little.
I mean it does though? If my wife died because she couldn’t get healthcare she needed, I feel like that might maybe affect me.
That’s why I wasn’t categorical. But I mean you proved my point. If your wife died she’d be the one who suffered and died. Not you.
The point is, politics being like the super bowl is a privilege for some. For others it’s life and death. It’s almost like saying “Keep politics out of my life” is a relatively lucky/conservative request or point of view.
Again, I would say if my wife died I would maybe suffer? Losing a partner is not just a nothing event…
But I would agree, politics are life and death for certain people, they don’t have the luxury of getting to ignore them.
Yes obviously you’d bother suffer.
There was a way to word this where you wouldn’t be a hypocrite but ya kinda just face planted fam.
The whole point of being progressive is to identify things we’ve been missing and things we’ve been doing wrong and to fix them.
Not to only swing the pendulum the other way. Not cool.
Singling out straight white men… so progressive!
Yo soy
I don’t know why people are down voting you when you’re right. Hell people are mad at you just for talking about it
I mean I was mildly flippant. But I am a straight white guy, so you know, I’m not really punching up or down here?
It doesn’t matter what direction you’re punching here. You’re being called out because your analysis is wrong. Yes, politics in the west is certainly dominated by straight white males, but the important common trait that these people have is their class. Politics in most of the world is dominated by capital owners. Straight white males are afforded some concessions because it creates a divide among the working class. This does not mean that they are not oppressed due to their class character. Working class straight white males can and do suffer from some of the same oppression however, at a lower rate. This oppression is still unjustifiable.
Now this is a post I can get behind.
Take a hike, hug a tree, run your fingers through blades of grass, stare at nature and take it in.
Maybe even get a cheeky grill in while you’re at it
Grillpill me, baby
Alright so what you need is 3 large portobello mushrooms, ¼ cup canola oil (or oil of your choice), ¼ cup balsamic vinegar, 3 tablespoons chopped onion, and 4 minced cloves garlic.
First Clean the mushrooms; remove stems, reserving them for another use. Place mushroom caps gill-side up in a shallow dish.
Then Combine oil, balsamic vinegar, onion, and garlic in a small bowl. Pour mixture evenly over mushroom caps; let marinate at room temperature for 1 hour.
Go and Preheat the grill to medium-high heat; grease the grate.
Lastly, Grill those suckers over the hot grill until caramelized and tender, about 5 minutes per side; serve warm.
damn this sounds really good
you do drink the mushroom water that collects in the cap while grilling, right? you cant just pour that out!
That can be sauce for the grill boss
You know how if a pipeline is blocked, the pressure will continue to build up, backing up with oil, seeping it into everything nearby because it can’t go forward, until eventually a rupture occurs? That’s why “everything is political these days.”
Beautifully said my friend
I’m fine with politics on the internet, but why spam it on a memes community…
Point me to a time/place when politics were not completely intertwined with meme communities.
Oh, right. That doesn’t actually exist.
One time, back in the 90s, a baby danced.
Apologies for the sin of linking Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonPoliticalTwitter/
Sometimes humans do stuff that are not at all related with politics. But we are masters of linking any non-political action to political arguments. (The classic ‘I like pancakes.’-‘So you hate waffles!’-problem)
Sometimes I just want to have a space to engage with funny memes without the mental strain of filtering out political comments.
Sure that’s true, but here it’s like way above 50% of the posts being just full-on propaganda, disguised as memes. IDK, I’m just comparing it to other sites/communities where the politics to meme ratio is way lower and feels less forced.
I would say pre 2016 political jokes was at one level, where the onion could make jokes that was not just an echo of reality.
Somewhere after that we crossed the political joke event horizon, and now we live in bizarro world, where many news items could have been the onion jokes.
Their politics aren’t politics. Their politics are just the default, common sense, or invisible because they only get mad if they notice the politics.
Politics impact our lives, of course we talk about it. In the US basic human rights are being fought over. I bet if you were in danger of losing some civil rights you’d be interested in how it’s going lol.
The definition of Privalage is not having to worry about politics because you are so secure in your place in our Capitalist Society Hierarchy.
When I go for a walk, the car-based infrastructure makes everything a nuisance until I get on a trail some distance from where I live. Turns out politics is everywhere.
Going for a walk?!?
That has surprisingly become political in the US
Leftie propaganda from big sidewalk! They want to see your precious calories burn!!
I wonder if there are any conservatives who get upset about nutrition labels when they find out the food has trans fats in it.
The pedos are grooming our Oreos!
The call for walkable cities is a fatphobic dogwhistle!!!1
France go for a walk every year, and in Russia you can be beaten to death for jogging.
