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- Inconvenient, I should buy air conditioning 😒
- Affects me directly and notably 😡
Which should have been the expected response. Extremism can only ever create more extremism on the other end of the spectrum.
The only thing those street gluers achieve is the exact opposite of their goal.
Murdering the civilization by knowingly and willingly create conditions for climate change: normal behaviour, good, commendable.
Public non-violent protests against that: extremism, bad, scary.
“It’s people doing things and caring that annoys me”
Except they aren’t actually doing anything. They should go shut down a factory or something.
Diversity of tactics. There’s no point in pissing on other people’s praxis when you have the capacity and space to organise your own.
Want harder action? Find a pipeline. Blockade a port.
Want to educate people about actions and how to get involved? Organise a street march and equip people with rhetoric to help turn the tide against fossil fuel astroturfing.
Just do something.
They are - which means they’re ahead.
Have you been living under a rock?? They’ve been doing that for ages and keep getting arrested
Yes, I have been living under a rock. It is nice and cozy down here.
If you’re waiting around for someone with more power than it takes to stand in a road with a sign to do anything, you will be waiting until your dying day.
Which, to be clear, is exactly what I expect will happen. Impeding society is seen as worse than destroying society, so inaction will destroy society. Because on the other side of inaction by the working class, is the massive (and massively destructive) action that we currently facilitate. Which means we are the problem, and our only choice is whether to also be a part of the solution. The solution being the mobilization of the working class. Which naturally takes the form of small actions against system (like blocking traffic and doing PR stunts) when numbers are still small because that is exactly what the working class is capable of doing.
I’m sure I’ve already triggered enough lemmies so I’ll go ahead and add, that non-activists calling for activists to destroy infrastructure are not wrong - but they are harmful, not helpful. If they believe in the statement and if this is their true criticism of activists, then those individuals would become activists following their own ideas of what works. But people who are actually activists understand the enormous challenges in such a task while living in a modern security state, and more importantly that the culture is still too non-activist and anti-activist for these actions to catch on meaningfully. Society does not see itself as the problem here. The truth is that the people crying about traffic would be crying significantly more if their consumerism is in the slightest way impaired. They only want to be against the problem, without actually be against the problem.
I hope you all understand what this means mechanistically even if you disagree about where I place my values and judgment: Our families will all be coming to an untimely end. Those of us who are still alive when the cascades begin, will die. If you’re my age and nothing takes you out early, you will die due to climate change caused by our industrial society. If you’re rich you might live a few extra years and die in a bunker.
The solution being the mobilization of the working class.
The mobilization of the working class isn’t going to do jack shit and arguably never really has in modern history.
The working class still needs water, gas and electricity and will still burn coal to get them easily whether the ruling class is there or not.
If the working class at large were willing to choose degrowth, as individuals have, then they could do something.
With a critical mass other types of action would also become more feasible, as I touched on.
I stand by the thesis that they won’t mobilize, but that if they were to do so then they would be able to make a difference. Even if they only destroyed infrastructure in a failed rebellion.
In the end it is a moot distinction, I guess.
If sticking heads in sand was an Olympic sport, climate change deniers would consistently take home 100 kg antimatter trophies.
I love civil disobedience. Go break shit.
The “necessity defense” stuff: I tried all the other avenues and nothing happened, I had to turn off this oil pipeline.
They’ve done actual studies that show these protests are counter productive, blindly supporting anything just because they claim to support your cause is incredibly dumb.
In this world there are a huge amount of people who really, really, really like attention and will insert themselves into anything to try and get it, they’ll use any excuse to ‘boost their profile’ especially if they can pretend to be some form of hero along the way.
The idiot who got shot in the capitol and the idiot who threw soup on the painting are the same unthinking attention seeking type of idiot, the right pretend they’re breaking into the capitol to save children, the left try to ruin people’s day in the name of climate change - then on their respective sides a whole host of idiots cheer and say ‘I’m supporting these brave activists so I’m not part of the problem, I can continue to live my life exactly as I chose - safe in the knowledge that cheering on these idiots is enough’
If you believe there is anything you can do about this. Then you are naive. There are almost eight billion of us. We have an immense industry. People not worrying about things like that is normal. Because they are to busy feeding there children. Trying to live a little. Also why do people think that you can stop climate change. The dice has been rolled. Alea iacta est.
It has become fashionable for some to take a defeatist condescending stance like this when it comes to issues that affect everyone. If you think it makes you look smart, it doesn’t. These are pressing issues and people have to take action. If you don’t want to, go ahead and disappear. But don’t talk down to those who are and those who are calling for it.
It’s my opinion. Has nothing to do with talking down. I genuinly don’t believe there is anything we can do.
Stop with the black pill nonsense. There’s plenty we can do. Get active, get amongst it, break unjust laws.
Lay down and rot somewhere else.
No need to be offensive
Dude. The world is being killed and the people killing it have names and addresses. This is not a untouchable force of nature causing our homes to flood and burn while the ecosystems that allow us to farm collapse.
You have agency. Get angry, channel it and get active.
Yes they have names and adresses. They are - WE
Yes but also wise up - we’re not the same as Exxon Mobil or Rio Tinto. We individually need to make our changes, absolutely - but they won’t unless we force them to do so and they dwarf us in output to an inhuman degree.
Simply - we need to stop their machines in a very literal sense. They’ve already shown that dialogue and scientific reasoning is an utterly useless vehicle for change in the face of their organisations - so we need to start speaking in languages they understand. Remove their ability to function. Direct action is the answer to the question.
No need to be offended
