While I wholeheartedly agree with her message, the reality is that any employee that interrupts a company event to criticize the company until they are escorted out of the room is gonna be fired regardless of the accuracy of their statements. We should be appalled at Microsoft’s complicity in Gaza, not that they fired an employee.
I applaud her for her stand, but she and everyone knew this would result in her termination.
I don’t see the humor in it anymore. Whenever it comes to even admitting the crimes happening to/in Palestine, it’s always decent people getting the entire book thrown at them, while others who actually do something evil get off scott free.
You can’t just ask for accountability for crimes. You have to kiss the ring and you have to be made an example of. What we are seeing with the response to student action is actually unprecedented and it’s genuinely unhinged. And it’s not just the US, it’s most of Europe too.
It’s not enough that our brothers and sisters in Palestine are getting rounded up and massacred. You have to support it with every fiber of your being or you’re a terrorist. After planing my whole life to move to the West I’m now genuinely scared I’ll be jailed for thought crime if it keeps getting crazier.
I know that’s not the intention, but saying it like that slides into apology territory.
We should be absolutely appalled at the firing, maybe to a lesser extent, but there is no better time to point out this than during a big event.
It’s kinda like saying ‘protestors should not disrupt public spaces’, like they have done everything else, what else do people need to wake up and draw the line?
And we can be hopeful for companies to have solid principles where if they are accused of genocide that they reflect on their actions instead of firing, and hope for a future where that’s the expectation instead of apathy.
Don’t anthropomorphize companies. They don’t have principles. Companies are essentially nothing but incentive structures designed to maximize profits. You wouldn’t expect an algorithm or a machine to have principles so why would you expect that of a company?
Companies aren’t inanimate objects. They’re groups of people. They absolutely do have principles, it’s just for corporations those principles are usually “fuck everything besides money”.
Coops are companies that are worth championing in a capitalist setting, no? While money and capitalism is ever prevalent and seemingly necessary to interact with for survival, it’s good to have an option like a coop. Or actually an open source based coop.
No. Absolutely fuck everything about your argument against the fired employee. We should be appalled at her termination as well as Microsoft’s atrocities.
Did you mean to say we shouldn’t be surprised that she got fired, or do you truly believe nobody should be appalled at Microsoft’s decision to fire her?
No. It may involve the expectation of consequences, for the sake of planning for retaliation, but anybody who condemns atrocities should also oppose retaliation against the condemnation.
Maybe some folks commit civil disobedience with the intention of voluntarily facing the consequences, but that’s entirely up to those individuals. Even in that case, they then depend on the broader society supporting their disobedience and demanding their retaliators back down.
Absolutely fuck everything about this “well they had it coming” apologia mindset.
Name a job where interrupting a CEO’s presentation in public wouldn’t be a terminable offense. What employee handbook says “If you’ve exhausted all other internal channels and are unhappy with the company’s direction, just call out the boss in front of thousands of people and there won’t be consequences.”
If your company is that evil and unsettling to change, you call them out and resign. Calling them out but still wanting to be paid is saying you’re okay with taking blood money as long as you’re saying it’s bad.
I don’t give a tenth of a rat’s shit. People gotta have a place to live, food to eat, and healthcare, and all of those require employment. Unless you can show me another employer in her field who isn’t committing or aiding atrocities, which I’m confident you cannot.
While I wholeheartedly agree with her message, the reality is that any employee that interrupts a company event to criticize the company until they are escorted out of the room is gonna be fired regardless of the accuracy of their statements. We should be appalled at Microsoft’s complicity in Gaza, not that they fired an employee.
I applaud her for her stand, but she and everyone knew this would result in her termination.
Not wrong there, though I find it humorous they expected her to apologize in the dismissal letter
I don’t see the humor in it anymore. Whenever it comes to even admitting the crimes happening to/in Palestine, it’s always decent people getting the entire book thrown at them, while others who actually do something evil get off scott free.
You can’t just ask for accountability for crimes. You have to kiss the ring and you have to be made an example of. What we are seeing with the response to student action is actually unprecedented and it’s genuinely unhinged. And it’s not just the US, it’s most of Europe too.
It’s not enough that our brothers and sisters in Palestine are getting rounded up and massacred. You have to support it with every fiber of your being or you’re a terrorist. After planing my whole life to move to the West I’m now genuinely scared I’ll be jailed for thought crime if it keeps getting crazier.
I know that’s not the intention, but saying it like that slides into apology territory.
We should be absolutely appalled at the firing, maybe to a lesser extent, but there is no better time to point out this than during a big event.
It’s kinda like saying ‘protestors should not disrupt public spaces’, like they have done everything else, what else do people need to wake up and draw the line?
Yes, there is nothing surprising about this.
And we can be hopeful for companies to have solid principles where if they are accused of genocide that they reflect on their actions instead of firing, and hope for a future where that’s the expectation instead of apathy.
Don’t anthropomorphize companies. They don’t have principles. Companies are essentially nothing but incentive structures designed to maximize profits. You wouldn’t expect an algorithm or a machine to have principles so why would you expect that of a company?
Companies aren’t inanimate objects. They’re groups of people. They absolutely do have principles, it’s just for corporations those principles are usually “fuck everything besides money”.
Coops are companies that are worth championing in a capitalist setting, no? While money and capitalism is ever prevalent and seemingly necessary to interact with for survival, it’s good to have an option like a coop. Or actually an open source based coop.
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No. Absolutely fuck everything about your argument against the fired employee. We should be appalled at her termination as well as Microsoft’s atrocities.
Did you mean to say we shouldn’t be surprised that she got fired, or do you truly believe nobody should be appalled at Microsoft’s decision to fire her?
Civil disobedience involves the acceptance of consequences.
No. It may involve the expectation of consequences, for the sake of planning for retaliation, but anybody who condemns atrocities should also oppose retaliation against the condemnation.
Maybe some folks commit civil disobedience with the intention of voluntarily facing the consequences, but that’s entirely up to those individuals. Even in that case, they then depend on the broader society supporting their disobedience and demanding their retaliators back down.
Absolutely fuck everything about this “well they had it coming” apologia mindset.
Name a job where interrupting a CEO’s presentation in public wouldn’t be a terminable offense. What employee handbook says “If you’ve exhausted all other internal channels and are unhappy with the company’s direction, just call out the boss in front of thousands of people and there won’t be consequences.”
If your company is that evil and unsettling to change, you call them out and resign. Calling them out but still wanting to be paid is saying you’re okay with taking blood money as long as you’re saying it’s bad.
I don’t give a tenth of a rat’s shit. People gotta have a place to live, food to eat, and healthcare, and all of those require employment. Unless you can show me another employer in her field who isn’t committing or aiding atrocities, which I’m confident you cannot.