It’s not the users, it’s the developers / investors. I’ve tried so many times to get into Mastodon, but it sucks compared to Bluesky. It lacks content and polish, so it’s no wonder everyday people choose Bluesky over it.
The real conundrum is why isn’t there a for profit company with big money behind it, investing in ActivityPub. I guess you could point to Threads? But insert your “not like that” meme of choice.
Fwiw, apparently Bluesky did initially look at activity pub, but found the protocol lacking, which is why they invented ATProto. I don’t know the details though.
What do devs/investors have to do with content? The users are creating the content. And then, there’s not really an algorithm rooting you in. You are free to follow the people you’re actually interested in, how it is supposed to be.
I also don’t have any polishing problems myself. It all just works, there are nice apps, etc.
Why would you want to have a for profit company with Mastodon? That’s what would probably ruin it in the long run, as they would go for their interests, instead of interests of users and the platform itself. Of course it’s hard surviving by donations and so on, but I think that’s the way it should go.
Because you need network effect. Which means you need big money for marketing, content moderation and development costs. That includes algorithms, which maybe you don’t want, but most people do.
It’s not that I want a for profit company, I just don’t think Mastodon will every achieve critical mass without one.
Even as a Lemmy user, I still don’t know how the Fediverse works completely. You’re just lying to yourself if you think understanding Mastodon is easier then just making a blue sky account.
Do you understand how email works? You dont have 1 centralised email server. You pick one and thats your email address name@emailserver. It then talks to other email servers unless its blocked emails from that server.
In principal, Mastodon and Lemmy are exactly the same.
I keep seeing this analogy and unfortunately that’s not how email servers work so it never really helps honestly. The servers are the To: fields, not the From: fields. And there’s also no real analogy about privacy. With most email providers the intent isn’t that everyone reads everyone else’s email. So frankly I really don’t know what insight this is supposed to provide if it doesn’t behave like email.
And there’s a big safety difference. With something like Bluesky you have to trust the server admins to behave. With ActivityPub you have to trust each and every user of the service. Which is why server admins get shirty about whether they will forward messages to or from other servers. That whole situation doesn’t really exist with email. It’s not like you have create a Hotmail account because Gmail has decided to defederate with Google or whatever.
If it takes more than 1 minute to onboard to a new service, and especially if you have to overcome any learning barrier (such as what ‘instances’ are and how to choose one) then the vast majority of people will immediately throw that option out and won’t even consider it.
People like bluesky specifically because it gives them something almost identical to what they had before.
Aah, rather choosing the next company which can turn into corporate bs than using federated Mastodon. I don’t get people.
because mastodon had an opportunity for a migration from twitter and they spent it attacking journalists who started posting on there
It’s not the users, it’s the developers / investors. I’ve tried so many times to get into Mastodon, but it sucks compared to Bluesky. It lacks content and polish, so it’s no wonder everyday people choose Bluesky over it.
The real conundrum is why isn’t there a for profit company with big money behind it, investing in ActivityPub. I guess you could point to Threads? But insert your “not like that” meme of choice.
Fwiw, apparently Bluesky did initially look at activity pub, but found the protocol lacking, which is why they invented ATProto. I don’t know the details though.
What do devs/investors have to do with content? The users are creating the content. And then, there’s not really an algorithm rooting you in. You are free to follow the people you’re actually interested in, how it is supposed to be.
I also don’t have any polishing problems myself. It all just works, there are nice apps, etc.
Why would you want to have a for profit company with Mastodon? That’s what would probably ruin it in the long run, as they would go for their interests, instead of interests of users and the platform itself. Of course it’s hard surviving by donations and so on, but I think that’s the way it should go.
Because you need network effect. Which means you need big money for marketing, content moderation and development costs. That includes algorithms, which maybe you don’t want, but most people do.
It’s not that I want a for profit company, I just don’t think Mastodon will every achieve critical mass without one.
Even as a Lemmy user, I still don’t know how the Fediverse works completely. You’re just lying to yourself if you think understanding Mastodon is easier then just making a blue sky account.
Do you understand how email works? You dont have 1 centralised email server. You pick one and thats your email address name@emailserver. It then talks to other email servers unless its blocked emails from that server.
In principal, Mastodon and Lemmy are exactly the same.
I keep seeing this analogy and unfortunately that’s not how email servers work so it never really helps honestly. The servers are the To: fields, not the From: fields. And there’s also no real analogy about privacy. With most email providers the intent isn’t that everyone reads everyone else’s email. So frankly I really don’t know what insight this is supposed to provide if it doesn’t behave like email.
And there’s a big safety difference. With something like Bluesky you have to trust the server admins to behave. With ActivityPub you have to trust each and every user of the service. Which is why server admins get shirty about whether they will forward messages to or from other servers. That whole situation doesn’t really exist with email. It’s not like you have create a Hotmail account because Gmail has decided to defederate with Google or whatever.
In the office that I work in, I’d be surprised if I’d need more than one hand to count how many people would understand this.
*in principle, not in principal.
I didn’t say that. But it’s still not that complicated, as someone else also replied with the email example
Apparently you don’t know how it works either, read the reply to that reply.
Much less people on mastodon, while most accounts I used to follow on Twitter have migrated to Bluesky or at least use both it and Twitter now.
But that’s not a problem of Mastodon. It’s the problem of people not switching here
Centralisation makes things easy.
If it takes more than 1 minute to onboard to a new service, and especially if you have to overcome any learning barrier (such as what ‘instances’ are and how to choose one) then the vast majority of people will immediately throw that option out and won’t even consider it.
People like bluesky specifically because it gives them something almost identical to what they had before.