A year ago, I poked around Steam to see how many game developers were disclosing usage of Generative AI . It was around 1,000, which seemed like a lot to me at the time. If memory serves, that was about 1.1% of the entire Steam library, which has since seen 20,000+ more titles appear. I've been fol
I’m learning Godot cuz I had an idea for a game and thought it’d be a fun project. Started off trying to use AI to learn and got in such a muddle I deleted everything and started using guides. Even old, out of date ones are easier to learn from and don’t cause massive errors.
There’s really no excuse to use AI. It’s much quicker to type “This vase is empty” than ask ai to write a description of an empty vase. As in its quicker than even writing the prompt.
If your scenario is “the vase is empty” then yeah… I don’t think anyone is using prompts that take longer than typing the description.
But in the case of, let’s say a scientific report on an alien encounter and resulting dissection then a prompt will for sure give you way faster inspiration than thinking of it all yourself.
You may not like that. That’s ok. But I would not have a problem with that.
But why do you want these things? Does a painting have value only as an aesthetic placeholder, with no regard to the person who made it? Does it have the same utilitarian value as a bed and food? Does the trivia in your hypothetical game have that same utilitarian value?
I repeat myself. If you take the creativity out of the creative process, you’re left with just a process. It’s the equivalent of injecting nutrient slurry directly into your veins because you want a meal.
Sure. If that’s your opinion regarding art that’s ok. We don’t have to argue about that. It’s subjective and will change from person to person.
Regardless if something has utility or not. The point remains the same. You often want things you yourself is unable to create to an acceptable standard.
I’m not an AI fanatic. I do not believe AI makes everything better. But I do believe it can make certain things easier if used correctly. And I also think it’s a big difference between someone sloppily making an entire story arc with AI, rather than someone that uses AI to fill in some of blanks.
And again. This is all subjective. But just some food for thought.
Clothes have both utility and artistic expression. But do you really care if a person made your pants, as long as they look good, are comfortable and of high quality?
I’m not trying to change your mind. Just explaining my reasoning behind my opinion.
But that’s the fun of writing is thinking up stuff like that? AI in that case is solving the problem of being creative and leaving the boring stuff up to humans?!
But not everyone thinks that writing that kind of stuff is fun. Not everyone enjoys that part of creativity. I know lots of people that love the creativity of solving problems with code. but writing reports is the most boring thing in the world.
If you have people in your studio that are fantastic and love writing that kind of stuff, that’s great! I’m sure the quality of that is noticeable. I genuinely do believe that when it comes to art in any shape or form. A skilled human could do a way better job than any A.I.
But I can also see a world where you work in a smaller studio, you’re a tight team of a few really great and passionate programmers, but writing literature just isn’t your thing, it’s not what you enjoy, it’s like if someone asks you to dance. Looks great when others do it but you just feel awkward and would rather melt through the floor so no one has to see you.
But that’s the thing. It’s just opinion. No right or wrong. Just different thoughts on a subjective topic. You would probably enjoy writing up something like that. Me, I’d love to give a few ideas to get inspiration going. But to actually write it all up in an interesting way is just not something I would enjoy. And it would take forever…
Why are you making a narrative video game without a writer?
If you’re making just a Candy Crush or a PacMan or a Space Invaders that doesn’t need plot or environmental storytelling why do you need these narrative, story-driven pieces of prose?
None of the justifications make any real world sense to me.
But also, a good friend of mine makes props and set dressings for TV shows (he helped build Vecna’s world in Stranger Things for example) and they are frequently building stuff just like you say.
I didn’t say anyone would hire a writer that hates writing. You keep asking rhetorical questions about things that no one brought up.
Why are you making a narrative video game without a writer
I answered this already in the comment you replied to…
People can be passionate and want to create things despite not being adept at every single aspect involved. You keep creating scenarios in direct opposition to what I’ve explained and then tell me your scenario doesn’t make sense.
Why someone would need story-driven pieces of prose in PacMan? I don’t know buddy. You tell me. I never suggested anything of the sorts.
I’ve had great discussions with other people. But you seem intent on bad faith arguments and straw-manning every chance you get.
None of the justifications make any real world sense to me.
It’s very telling you see it as “justifications”, as if I would have to justify my opinion on the matter. It is what it is based on my experience. I have no doubt, there are a lot of things that make no real world sense to you.
I’m learning Godot cuz I had an idea for a game and thought it’d be a fun project. Started off trying to use AI to learn and got in such a muddle I deleted everything and started using guides. Even old, out of date ones are easier to learn from and don’t cause massive errors.
There’s really no excuse to use AI. It’s much quicker to type “This vase is empty” than ask ai to write a description of an empty vase. As in its quicker than even writing the prompt.
If your scenario is “the vase is empty” then yeah… I don’t think anyone is using prompts that take longer than typing the description.
But in the case of, let’s say a scientific report on an alien encounter and resulting dissection then a prompt will for sure give you way faster inspiration than thinking of it all yourself.
You may not like that. That’s ok. But I would not have a problem with that.
Okay, but in the case of a scientific report on an alien encounter and dissection, why would you include it if you don’t want to write it?
I want to include paintings as decoration on my walls where I live. But I don’t want to paint them.
I want a bed to sleep in, but I don’t want to build it.
I want food to eat. But I don’t want to grow it myself, nor would I like to raise, feed, care, and slaughter the animals I eat.
So… Maybe I want some trivia, an easter egg if you’d like, about something weird and funny. Despite not wanting to write it myself.
But why do you want these things? Does a painting have value only as an aesthetic placeholder, with no regard to the person who made it? Does it have the same utilitarian value as a bed and food? Does the trivia in your hypothetical game have that same utilitarian value?
I repeat myself. If you take the creativity out of the creative process, you’re left with just a process. It’s the equivalent of injecting nutrient slurry directly into your veins because you want a meal.
Sure. If that’s your opinion regarding art that’s ok. We don’t have to argue about that. It’s subjective and will change from person to person.
Regardless if something has utility or not. The point remains the same. You often want things you yourself is unable to create to an acceptable standard.
I’m not an AI fanatic. I do not believe AI makes everything better. But I do believe it can make certain things easier if used correctly. And I also think it’s a big difference between someone sloppily making an entire story arc with AI, rather than someone that uses AI to fill in some of blanks.
And again. This is all subjective. But just some food for thought.
Clothes have both utility and artistic expression. But do you really care if a person made your pants, as long as they look good, are comfortable and of high quality?
I’m not trying to change your mind. Just explaining my reasoning behind my opinion.
But that’s the fun of writing is thinking up stuff like that? AI in that case is solving the problem of being creative and leaving the boring stuff up to humans?!
But not everyone thinks that writing that kind of stuff is fun. Not everyone enjoys that part of creativity. I know lots of people that love the creativity of solving problems with code. but writing reports is the most boring thing in the world.
If you have people in your studio that are fantastic and love writing that kind of stuff, that’s great! I’m sure the quality of that is noticeable. I genuinely do believe that when it comes to art in any shape or form. A skilled human could do a way better job than any A.I.
But I can also see a world where you work in a smaller studio, you’re a tight team of a few really great and passionate programmers, but writing literature just isn’t your thing, it’s not what you enjoy, it’s like if someone asks you to dance. Looks great when others do it but you just feel awkward and would rather melt through the floor so no one has to see you.
But that’s the thing. It’s just opinion. No right or wrong. Just different thoughts on a subjective topic. You would probably enjoy writing up something like that. Me, I’d love to give a few ideas to get inspiration going. But to actually write it all up in an interesting way is just not something I would enjoy. And it would take forever…
Why would you hire a writer that hates writing?
Why are you making a narrative video game without a writer?
If you’re making just a Candy Crush or a PacMan or a Space Invaders that doesn’t need plot or environmental storytelling why do you need these narrative, story-driven pieces of prose?
None of the justifications make any real world sense to me.
But also, a good friend of mine makes props and set dressings for TV shows (he helped build Vecna’s world in Stranger Things for example) and they are frequently building stuff just like you say.
I didn’t say anyone would hire a writer that hates writing. You keep asking rhetorical questions about things that no one brought up.
I answered this already in the comment you replied to…
People can be passionate and want to create things despite not being adept at every single aspect involved. You keep creating scenarios in direct opposition to what I’ve explained and then tell me your scenario doesn’t make sense.
Why someone would need story-driven pieces of prose in PacMan? I don’t know buddy. You tell me. I never suggested anything of the sorts.
I’ve had great discussions with other people. But you seem intent on bad faith arguments and straw-manning every chance you get.
It’s very telling you see it as “justifications”, as if I would have to justify my opinion on the matter. It is what it is based on my experience. I have no doubt, there are a lot of things that make no real world sense to you.