It’s axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. You understand?
Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions.
Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn’t exactly winning though.
I could find one victory in total, which was a smaller size meet for men over 40. Truly the best. Not bashing effort in any way, he likely puts in a lot of work. All athletes do.
It’s axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won.
So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport.
Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn’t exactly winning though.
If we lower the goalpost to ‘any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics’ again nobody meets that criteria1. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing.
^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it’s a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of ‘loads of examples of the opposite’ seems extremely cherry picked doesn’t it?^
So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport.
Yeah? No shit they haven’t, born men aren’t allowed to compete against women. I recon there are thousands of athletes that could decide to transition to female and beat the world records for women.
They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders.
You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot.
She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample.
She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired?
You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant.
Define your goalposts, what exactly is “winning against the best in competition”?
Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions.
If he doesn’t count then who, specifically, does “the other way around”?
It’s axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. You understand?
Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn’t exactly winning though.
I could find one victory in total, which was a smaller size meet for men over 40. Truly the best. Not bashing effort in any way, he likely puts in a lot of work. All athletes do.
So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport.
If we lower the goalpost to ‘any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics’ again nobody meets that criteria1. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing.
^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it’s a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of ‘loads of examples of the opposite’ seems extremely cherry picked doesn’t it?^
Yeah? No shit they haven’t, born men aren’t allowed to compete against women. I recon there are thousands of athletes that could decide to transition to female and beat the world records for women.
They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders.
You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot.
Laurel Hubbard was an average to poor male athlete that couldn’t qualify in mens competition that decided to change and won silver immediately.
Even if I don’t think she actually did transition to win at sports, the result is the same.
Thank you for making my point for me.
She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample.
She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired?
You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant.