The people who needed to be convinced think the New York Times is globalist propaganda. If they even noticed the existence of this article they would assume it was a made up smear campaign against Dear Leader.
Also, our media (even the “liberal media”) is part of the problem. For example, they did such a terrible job explaining Trump’s attempts to steal the 2020 election that to this day even many anti-Trump Americans don’t understand how fucked up it was.
The primary blame is on the sociopaths in charge and the troglodytes who voted them in, but there is plenty of guilt to go around.
I worked in news media in the Bush years and I got to see first hand how our national news promoted the lies coming from the Bush administration and helping spearhead support for an Iraq invasion.
The media has been a problem for a long time.
Iraq II - Shock and Awe was definitely a huge part of my political awakening. I’m still saddened (but no longer amazed) that more people didn’t figure it out at the time, and that so many still haven’t figured it out.
People still think the NYT is some left leaning (or even “far left” in some circles) source. It’s fucking absurd.
The pride I never had, the nationality that I never felt
Saddam was bad, and the American’s even more so
They made me grow like i was missing part of my torso
But I never picked up a grenade in my garden
I never saw people I love die starving
I never saw my family die through many years of sanctions
While the rulers family lived in palaces and mansions
Never had a family member kidnapped for a ransom
I never lost a friend to violence that was random
Bombings, occupation, torture, intimidation
A million dead people doesn’t equal liberation
I’m still pretty pissed off about that. It’s when I learned that a huge number of my fellow citizens are really stupid. Covid was when I learned that they’re also hateful pieces of shit.
Freedom fries, you guys. Woohoo.
NYT endorsed Iraq invasion even though there was no evidence of WMDs and the rest of the world was against it. Surprise, no WMDs were found.
Interestingly, some companies did steal billions upon billions of dollars and we blew the national debt up. Strange that outcome …
NYT also sat on the story about NSA wiretapping US citizens for over a year at the behest of the Bush admin. Later, DNI Clapper would deny that spying on Americans happened “wittingly,” a denial which would push Edward Snowden to leak information thst proved otherwise.
The NYT also sat on the story of Trump having Maduro kidnapped. They (along with WaPo) were informed of the operation 24 hours before it happened.
Absolutely, but I think right now it’s important to be able to show that this behavior goes back decades and isn’t some new phenomenon that so many people act as though it is.
The NSA story they sat on was in 2007 when they published it, so literally has been 20 years this year.
It goes back way before that too. During WWII they were firmly against the US entering the war and also against allowing Jewish refugees into the country.
NYT also faked a story about Hamas raping people on october 7 by hiring an Israeli videographer with no journalistic experience by writing down faked uncorroborated testimonies without evidence to create support for the genocide.
I don’t recall the media covering the fake electors of the Jan 6 coup hardly at all. The media loved to cover the big violent crowd becaus it was flashy. However, the fake elector scheme was the more significant crisis in my mind. That showed a planned and coordinated effort by people in power to subvert democracy.
Precisely.
I don’t recall the media covering the fake electors of the Jan 6 coup hardly at all
You probably don’t recall because you aren’t paying attention.
It was indeed covered:
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/06/1217680464/nevada-false-electors-charged
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/28/politics/recordings-trump-team-fake-elector-ballots
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/27/politics/fake-electors-explainer
https://abcnews.go.com/US/boss-leave-proffer-videos-show-trump-lawyers-telling/story?id=104831939
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/04/us/politics/chesebro-troupis-jan-6-messages.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/27/us/politics/fake-electors-explained-trump-jan-6.html
https://whyy.org/articles/fake-electors-trump-overthrow-election-2020/
I think this is getting to the core of how Trump has been so successful. Every important story is drowned out by an endless flood of shit. Good journalism still exists, but it has gotten almost impossible to find as news channels rush to cover the latest distraction Trump is up to. The real stories drown in the bullshit.
Long story short I think it’s possible to pay attention and nevertheless miss out on important stories, due to the fundamental flaws of the information ecosystem. It’s really only necessary to write one story about something like this, but whatever Trump is up to gets a new story every hour.
The biggest lie of them all is the “Liberal” in liberal media
All American media is essentially fascist, they’ve proven this beyond a doubt
If there were even a HINT of an ALLEGATION that Biden or Obama were party to INFANTICIDE they would have burned DC to the ground. Now all the US media outlets are just participating in the damage control operation
“All American media is essentially fascist”
This is absolute horseshit.
It’s an exaggeration at least, but it’s true that the regime friendly billionaire class has a lot of influence over some extremely popular media channels. The firings and changes made in Washington Post and more recently CBS are interesting case studies.
And of course many newsrooms make questionable decisions even if they are not fascist. I have little to no respect left for the New York Times, but I still believe they’re independent enough and have enough talented staff to produce important journalism.
ProPublica is the bees knees.
look up who owns whatever media outlet you think isn’t fascist
Lol no it isn’t. The United States, all the people there, all the politicians and the culture are 100% pure settler colonial and fascist. You are the bad guys.
People can’t help where they’re born.
My folks didn’t even know the fake elector story until Liz Cheney’s book came out. That was Dec 2023
60 Minutes didn’t cover fake electors until Feb 2024.
Like it or not, this is likely on par with the experience of tens of millions of American voters.
Totally agreed, media failed to present the full scope of the conspiracy and did it way too fucking late.
The media didn’t fail at all, it worked exactly as intended.
if the average voting american knew how to read they would be very upset!
No, the people who needed to be convinced were the on-the-fence independents who stupidly thought they’d get a better economy under “Trump the successful businessman” than Kamala “Joe Biden 2.0 Harris.” They’re the ones who dismissed Trump’s stated plans as bluster; the people you’re talking about knew he wasn’t joking and were counting on it.
How was anyone supposed to know he was gonna do the things he said he wanted to do.
tbf, an america politician actually honestly laying out what the intend to do to the public and then carrying out is a massive outlier
They craved an honest politican. They got one.
I mean, apart from all the tax avoidance, tax evasion, grift, graft and sinecures.tbf, republicans have been completely honest about those aspects of their corruption for decades
He said he had nothing to do with project 2025 tho.
Whenever the dipshit says something, the opposite is always the truth.
Trump lied
Damn, doing p2025 but the exact opposite would be a pretty rad society.
Don’t leave out the part where all public school male students would be required to take military aptitude screening…one step shy on universal conscription
It was fucking laid out in P2025 and from the mouths of the billionaires
Arrest him. The fuck
For what. He has full immunity according to the Supreme Court.
Not according to Senor Guillotine.
I believe that would be Monsieur Guillotine
Pardon my French.
No, no. “Arrest.”
As in “stop in his tracks.”
In 2024, everything was already laid out for everybody to see clear as day - Trump1.0, MAGA’s behavior since 2021, Project 2025…
BTW, in 2016, both Mary Trump and Tony Schwartz predicted Jan 6 21: “If he loses the next election, he won’t go willingly.”
Ever since Jan 6 21 it’s been crystal clear where this goes if he wins again.
Ever since Jan 6 21 it’s been crystal clear where this goes if he wins again.
“Wins again” as in violating another part of the constitution (22nd amendment)?
It’s not against the constitution for Vance to serve 2 terms as president with Trump as VP, and we all know Trump will cuck Vance to effectively still be acting President.
Indeed, Medvedev and Putin did the same thing.
The 12th Amendment explicitly forbids this:
no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States
Thanks. That gives relief to an issue that has had me concerned.
Looks like there is still a bit of debate over how 12 and 22 work together
That’s still different from “wins again”.
I meant it from the POV of 2021, so “wins again in 24”
Its hard to call it a prediction when he literally just said it himself
So…. I am going to express my opinion that Trumpism is merely the latest, not so different, expression of American capitalism that has always been this nasty and poisonous. And this includes the raids and round ups currently in the news.
There are some things that changed: the targets and oppressed have changed for some. The messaging has changed.
It’s a fad. This will fade soon enough, and things will still be bad. The good guys will be elected and clean up some of the stuff, but most of what they do will be ineffective. And then the next bad guy will come to power
Based on what toady Mike Johnson and trump have been saying today/yesterday about how the GOP should control elections, I have a lot of worry that there will never be any more “good guys” elected.
bannon already suggested ICE at teh polling stations/.
Many states have elections that do not allow recounts, using hidden methods to count, and flunk the same fraud checks used pretty in other counties reliably.
Given that, I’m not too worried
And the ability to purge voter registrations within days of the election. Couple that with reduction in voting locations in heavy blue areas and kicking other methods entirely…
the stopping counting was pretty apparent in '24, they more than likely saw kamala had votes if they had counted them all.
those are red states in the last election, they stopped counting the moment trump had some leads.
Exactly.
What Donald is doing has always occurred. It’s just been better hidden, and he doesn’t care to hide any of it. The corruption we’re seeing now is only new if you’ve never cracked open a history book.
Who are the “good guys”? The only remotely non-evil person who had a serious bid for president is Sanders, the rest are straight up pieces of shit who bankroll genocides, bomb civilians, and empower their billionaire donors. Even then, Sanders is ineffective, somewhat zionist, and old, and I don’t see a viable young replacement even for someone like him.
In the US, the political mainstream isn’t “good guys vs bad guys”, it’s 80% hitler vs 100% hitler.
And even Sanders parroted the “they have a right to defend themselves” rhetoric when push came to shove
At least he called himself a thing that we could all then google and find something better to work towards
I feel like there are not any good and effective leaders or movements. At least not nationally
Stalin was not capitalist. This happens in spite of the economic system.
Baffling
History
History? What does that have to do with a crank inserting a non sequitur?
It said he’d shit his pants on live TV in the oval office?
Pg 32, ¶2, §3 “Fard n shid pant XDD”
Fuck that. It was predicted a full year before. This is bullshit. Stop reading the NYT. They lied about the attack on Oct 7 (claimed sex crimes that didn’t happen) and never made a retraction. I cancelled my subscription to them and to the Washington Post (cause Bezos killed an opinion piece endorsing Biden, who I voted for because fuck Trump, but Biden was a terrible candidate).
Listen to the audio-book, “Manufacturing Consent,” from Noam Chomsky. Unfortunately, he’s in the Epstein docs, so I can’t recommend him otherwise. Oh well. All these people are monsters.
Unfortunately, he’s in the Epstein docs, so I can’t recommend him otherwise.
Also read an introductory textbook on logic & pay attention to fallacies like ad hominem. Shit’s timeless & really pays off far better than whatever joke of an education people got.
Beyond being buddies with Epstein, Noam is just a piece of shit of a person. Just absolute scum with interesting and thoughtful insights…but just a horrible person.
Can you point me toward some resources to learn more (aside from Epstein dump)? I have always admired his writing on propaganda and sociology but am painfully unaware of what he is like as a person.
People who are “in the Epstein files” probably just pissed off the Moussad. Otherwise, where the fuck are the other names? Sounds like a bunch if bullshit to me. Documents can be falsified.
There’s photos of Chomsky and Epstein laughing and sitting together on his jet. Its not as if his name just happens to be written in the documents devoid of any other context.
Biden was a terrible candidate
In a binary choice, he can also be the best candidate. Unfortunately many Americans don’t understand the difference between “imperfect” and “comically bad, unsuitable and incapable”. It’s too nuanced.
Donald Trump was a lot of peoples’ fault. One article nailing him doesn’t cancel out all the articles that normalized or sane washed him, or ran with his narrative. Nor does it undercut all the well-justified mistrust of legacy American media. It’s not as if people started trusting pundits out of nowhere - they started looking for commentary and news from alternate sources because yeah, actually, a lot of legacy media does report like they serve their wealthy owners. Not that MAGA pundits don’t, but that’s beside the point.
Hell, even right now, they’re generally running with the narrative that Trump’s Israel-Gaza ceasefire has been effective by not reporting that Israel still murders many innocent Palestinians every day.
Rightoids are unbelievably predictable. Meet one in public and you could guess everything that comes out of their mouth from the very beginning of the conversation
Only actual fucking idiots are unable to realize how predictable rightoids are
https://youtu.be/c_ANImMrYu4?t=197
The current stance of the president of the Heritage Foundation seems to be that if the left does not take up arms, MAGA will take over everything, permanently.
Our current situation really is the culmination of almost 70 years of rightwing efforts. It’s a long listen but worth checking out How Conservatism Won by Robert Evans. He lays out in a clear concise way “how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).” They’ve been very successful and those think tanks are now pipelines used to funnel ideological purists into powerful positions like our current Supreme Court.
The shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again, they’re controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people. One of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It’s really impossible to overstate how bad these people are and they’re winning.
The coup was successful, they’re in power and if they don’t want to give it up they won’t.
Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.
https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/
https://www.socialistalternative.org/
https://afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network
thats why they dont target MAGat cities or districts, also dont want to upset your base.
many of his most reckless efforts in his first administration were stymied only because of others in his administration who blocked, delayed or watered down his aims to ensure that he could not put himself above the law or the country.
I often wonder what would have happened if his first term was unleashed. Eg if McCain voted yes to dismantle ACA. If Trump got his way the first time, would he have gotten in the second?
If Trump had gotten his way the first time, we’d be in a fascist dictatorship that is 9 years old now instead of one.
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I think the most important thing about this era is to understand how the fuck this happened. I have no answers and have never heard anything convincing. I think if humanity lasts long enough, hundreds of years of scholars will be trying to understand it. Most people on earth could’ve predicted most of this shit, yet no amount of spreading that knowledge made a fucking difference. If nothing else, this tells us how unbelievably irrational humans are.
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You’re right about all of this. What I can’t fathom though – is that in the past, facts mattered. A lot. How did all of the propaganda literally erase that entirely? That’s what I cannot figure out. It’s not like the internet invented the concept of the lie. Before social media, at least most people would have some skepticism and if nothing else, ask their smart friend. How the hell did that go away?
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We are not a logic, rational creature. Our brains are not machines for working out problems, they’re machines for telling stories to create a coherent narrative.
I gotta push back against this. It’s much more complicated than this. Humans have a complex brain, with some parts matching this description perfectly, and others that do not at all. If we were not capable of both being rational and prioritizing facts, we’d probably still be roughly the same as chimpanzees. Instead, we developed incredibly complicated systems for accomplishing long term goals, and throughout human history, cooperation based on rational thought has played a huge role in the direction our species took. Hell, without that ability, there probably wouldn’t have ever been a coherent ruling class. They wouldn’t have been able to put all the pieces in place to hoard wealth indefinitely.
What I see now as a distinct change is that rational thought just literally gets turned off at will, at any moment. In the past, 98% of people would watch a video of a crime and agree at least roughly on what happened. Now people literally seem to deny what their visual cortex perceives in favor of something they heard already. That is new.
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I wasn’t very clear about the cooperation part. What I mean wasn’t that you have to be rational to cooperate. What I’m saying is that you have to be rational to plan out things that take dozens or hundreds of years and effectively utilize the cooperation of thousands of individuals who are all looking to solve the same problem.
You are using modern societal issues like inequality as evidence that we aren’t rational, but I dispute that strongly. Those problems used to be much, much worse, literally because the ruling class used a rational but evil plan to take care of themselves. Because of rational working class fighting back in a very organized and rational manner at a few different points in history, we made progress against them. We don’t have a 40 hour work week or OSHA in America because a bunch of emotional and angry public kept trying random things without a thought. We have those things from planning and hard work. Both are examples of being entirely rational.
Intentional psyop
No, most of them are just racist enough that they genuinely don’t care what else happens so long as non-whites suffer.
Then large swaths of people who chugged the propaganda Kool-aid into thinking any other group of people achieving 1 more right or freedom meant all of theirs were being stripped away.
fuck the NYT they have repeatedly failed to do their jobs
Predicted…openly by Trump.
