Have you ever broken an arm? A window? A car? A heart?
Fixing things takes time.
That doesn’t excuse not starting when given a chance. The focus should be on establishment Dems’ failures to start fixing things, not on setting some unrealistic expectation that all it would take is a snap of the fingers and bippity boppity boo.
How much time? Ideally none. But the real world isn’t idealistic, and breaking more shit because you can’t have what you want right now is what petulant children do.
I’m not defending the establishment Dems’ inaction, but I am cautioning against setting unrealistic expectations. Even if you vote out all the republicans and replace all the democrats with progressives, it will still take time to fix things.
And people’s ignorance about this fact is a key part of the republican strategy that keeps getting them reelected every other election cycle. They always break shit on their way out, leaving a mess for their successors to clean up, and they blame it all on the democrats in office after them.
So promoting this idea that you can fix everything overnight is only helping the republicans.
Incrementalism is a tool of fascism to prevent progress.
No, incrementalism is a necessary reality. The reason it doesn’t work is partly because the right people aren’t in office to implement it, and partly because when the right people are in office they don’t have enough time in office to implement it fully.
Get someone with the right intentions in office (a progressive), and give them enough time (at least two terms), with a congress that supports their agenda, and you’ll see incrementalism work as it’s intended.
Or you can complain that you can’t have everything you want immediately, and attack anyone who doesn’t give you everything you want right now, and when they never get into office for long enough with enough congressional support because nobody can pass your purity test, you’ll have plenty to complain about when literally nothing good gets done because you categorically rejected the idea of incrementalism.
California has a bulletproof Democrat supermajority and does not have livable wages, universal healthcare, affordable housing, affordable COL. So the argument that Democrats need more time Is verifiably false
Did I ever claim establishment Dems are willing to put in the necessary changes to move progress forward? Because California Dems are about as establishment/corporatist as you can freaking get.
I never said “give establishment Dems another chance.” I said “fixing things takes time,” and that will still apply even if you oust all the establishment Dems and replace them with progressives.
Please take your strawman argument somewhere else if you’re not going to actually read what I wrote and respond to that.
So you believe that electing more progressive candidates within the party that operating exactly as designed is gonna change things? Any new politician that is deemed a threat to the status quo will never be placed into positions of power or influence that can threaten the existence of the status quo.
Do you not know how political systems work? Change the people holding the levers of power and you change the agenda that guides their policies.
Yeah, if you vote in enough progressive Dems then they can oust Schumer and Jeffries and replace them with people like Bernie and AOC. That’s how this entire system works and what it’s predicated on.
The reason that hasn’t happened yet is because progressives have as yet only been a minority within the party. There are signs that may change in the next few electoral cycles, but if you want to cry and break things like a petulant child because you don’t believe in incremental progress and can’t have everything you want right now, then don’t fucking complain when the broken system isn’t working the way that it should.
Incrementalism marches to the right, it always has. Liberals have claimed for decades they need more time, and everytime they are extended more they shift further to the right. Today’s Democrats are to the far right of 1980s Democrats
Netanyahu’s whim isn’t about fixing things, more like breaking everything in Gaza, Iran, and southern Lebanon.
If you really think Gaza can be rebuilt as fast as it’s been destroyed, you’re going to have some unpleasant surprises whenever the world can pull itself out of this death spiral and start caring about humanity again…
LMAO, you’re out here making a fool of yourself. The only person getting clowned on is you because of your ignorant ass takes, and debate style that very much reminds people of MAGA. And it’s so funny about you mentioning the “No U” as if that wasn’t your reply to someone asking you to actually explain your perspective.
You certainly wield willful ignorance like a conservative.
But yeah honestly I think you’re a shill trying to make more non-voters and drive people away from the Democratic Party with your over the top style of BS. Which ultimately helps Republicans. Then deflects these accusations by making your own, just like a Republican.
You’re embarrassing to be associated with, which I think is your goal.
Have you ever broken an arm? A window? A car? A heart?
Fixing things takes time.
That doesn’t excuse not starting when given a chance. The focus should be on establishment Dems’ failures to start fixing things, not on setting some unrealistic expectation that all it would take is a snap of the fingers and bippity boppity boo.
In the words of James Baldwin, how much time do you want for your progress?
Democrats tell you that fixing things takes time so that you eventually give up waiting. Incrementalism is a tool of fascism to prevent progress.
How much time? Ideally none. But the real world isn’t idealistic, and breaking more shit because you can’t have what you want right now is what petulant children do.
I’m not defending the establishment Dems’ inaction, but I am cautioning against setting unrealistic expectations. Even if you vote out all the republicans and replace all the democrats with progressives, it will still take time to fix things.
And people’s ignorance about this fact is a key part of the republican strategy that keeps getting them reelected every other election cycle. They always break shit on their way out, leaving a mess for their successors to clean up, and they blame it all on the democrats in office after them.
So promoting this idea that you can fix everything overnight is only helping the republicans.
No, incrementalism is a necessary reality. The reason it doesn’t work is partly because the right people aren’t in office to implement it, and partly because when the right people are in office they don’t have enough time in office to implement it fully.
Get someone with the right intentions in office (a progressive), and give them enough time (at least two terms), with a congress that supports their agenda, and you’ll see incrementalism work as it’s intended.
Or you can complain that you can’t have everything you want immediately, and attack anyone who doesn’t give you everything you want right now, and when they never get into office for long enough with enough congressional support because nobody can pass your purity test, you’ll have plenty to complain about when literally nothing good gets done because you categorically rejected the idea of incrementalism.
California has a bulletproof Democrat supermajority and does not have livable wages, universal healthcare, affordable housing, affordable COL. So the argument that Democrats need more time Is verifiably false
Did I ever claim establishment Dems are willing to put in the necessary changes to move progress forward? Because California Dems are about as establishment/corporatist as you can freaking get.
I never said “give establishment Dems another chance.” I said “fixing things takes time,” and that will still apply even if you oust all the establishment Dems and replace them with progressives.
Please take your strawman argument somewhere else if you’re not going to actually read what I wrote and respond to that.
So you believe that electing more progressive candidates within the party that operating exactly as designed is gonna change things? Any new politician that is deemed a threat to the status quo will never be placed into positions of power or influence that can threaten the existence of the status quo.
Do you not know how political systems work? Change the people holding the levers of power and you change the agenda that guides their policies.
Yeah, if you vote in enough progressive Dems then they can oust Schumer and Jeffries and replace them with people like Bernie and AOC. That’s how this entire system works and what it’s predicated on.
The reason that hasn’t happened yet is because progressives have as yet only been a minority within the party. There are signs that may change in the next few electoral cycles, but if you want to cry and break things like a petulant child because you don’t believe in incremental progress and can’t have everything you want right now, then don’t fucking complain when the broken system isn’t working the way that it should.
Incrementalism marches to the right, it always has. Liberals have claimed for decades they need more time, and everytime they are extended more they shift further to the right. Today’s Democrats are to the far right of 1980s Democrats
And until they start fixing things, “fixing things takes time” holds within it the implicit lie that they’re trying.
You’re right. That’s only for netanyahu’s every whim.
Netanyahu’s whim isn’t about fixing things, more like breaking everything in Gaza, Iran, and southern Lebanon.
If you really think Gaza can be rebuilt as fast as it’s been destroyed, you’re going to have some unpleasant surprises whenever the world can pull itself out of this death spiral and start caring about humanity again…
You’re telling me that democrats break things and have no interest in fixing them.
What?
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When Democrats do absolutely nothing to counter anything that Republicans do, they are complicit and are to blame for everything Republicans do.
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Oh, please explain how it all works for us
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Spoken like a MAGAt.
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LMAO, you’re out here making a fool of yourself. The only person getting clowned on is you because of your ignorant ass takes, and debate style that very much reminds people of MAGA. And it’s so funny about you mentioning the “No U” as if that wasn’t your reply to someone asking you to actually explain your perspective. You certainly wield willful ignorance like a conservative.
But yeah honestly I think you’re a shill trying to make more non-voters and drive people away from the Democratic Party with your over the top style of BS. Which ultimately helps Republicans. Then deflects these accusations by making your own, just like a Republican.
You’re embarrassing to be associated with, which I think is your goal.
Well, they directly gave us Trump both times times. They dont oppose him, they claim to be helpless so their owners get what they want