It’s not us that are saying 50 death camps is lesser evil or lesser harm. We advocate for no death camps. You either support it or you don’t. What’s tiresome is liberal arrogance that theirs is the only correct path forward when history has shown time and time again that they are enabling fascism that led to the creation of those 50 death camps
First of all the 50 vs 51 death camps is a laughable exaggeration and inflation of the relative evils and you all fucking know it.
Second, you can advocate for no evil at all all you want. I, obviously, support that too. But A) evils are relative, sometimes, aren’t they. We won’t always agree about what is right and wrong. Pretending your perspective is objective and everyone else is an idiot for not agreeing with you isn’t working out very well for you, is it? B) Even if we agree completely that one system of goverment, economics, international relations, etc. are all correct, unless we can somehow form a sovereign state of two, we’re going to have to coordinate, compromise and agree with others. A lot of others. Come election day under first past the post voting, even if there is a party or candidate that represents every single one of my deeply held ideals, if they don’t have competitive levels of support to even have a chance of winning I would probably not vote for them. Because I’m not a moron who cares more about virtue signaling or keeping my perfect principles untarnished than actual outcomes.
Third, again, you need to examine why your alternatives aren’t viable. The answer cannot be external. Blaming everyone else for being stupid, brainwashed, etc. is defeatism. You can’t control others perspectives, only your own. If the choice is between fascism, fascist enablement and anti-fascism, you gotta figure out why anti-fascism isn’t the obvious choice for most people. Then you can start to figure out how to make it the better AND SAFER choice to make.
We know why anti-fascism isn’t the default choice - propaganda. So we have these fights with liberals specifically because it creates the opportunities to counter the propaganda. The number of people in this comment section that don’t realize that Obama deported far more people than Trump has, and probably ever will, is staggering. The number of people who think that women got the right to vote by voting is staggering.
We know what the problem is, and it’s super obvious what the problem is when we say we won’t vote for a genocidaire and the liberals all pull out the daggers and screaming that lesser evil voting is literally the only path forward. The problem is fundamentally what people believe about the world and the gap between those beliefs and reality. The process of challenging those beliefs looks a lot like this.
It’s not us that are saying 50 death camps is lesser evil or lesser harm. We advocate for no death camps. You either support it or you don’t. What’s tiresome is liberal arrogance that theirs is the only correct path forward when history has shown time and time again that they are enabling fascism that led to the creation of those 50 death camps
First of all the 50 vs 51 death camps is a laughable exaggeration and inflation of the relative evils and you all fucking know it.
Second, you can advocate for no evil at all all you want. I, obviously, support that too. But A) evils are relative, sometimes, aren’t they. We won’t always agree about what is right and wrong. Pretending your perspective is objective and everyone else is an idiot for not agreeing with you isn’t working out very well for you, is it? B) Even if we agree completely that one system of goverment, economics, international relations, etc. are all correct, unless we can somehow form a sovereign state of two, we’re going to have to coordinate, compromise and agree with others. A lot of others. Come election day under first past the post voting, even if there is a party or candidate that represents every single one of my deeply held ideals, if they don’t have competitive levels of support to even have a chance of winning I would probably not vote for them. Because I’m not a moron who cares more about virtue signaling or keeping my perfect principles untarnished than actual outcomes.
Third, again, you need to examine why your alternatives aren’t viable. The answer cannot be external. Blaming everyone else for being stupid, brainwashed, etc. is defeatism. You can’t control others perspectives, only your own. If the choice is between fascism, fascist enablement and anti-fascism, you gotta figure out why anti-fascism isn’t the obvious choice for most people. Then you can start to figure out how to make it the better AND SAFER choice to make.
We know why anti-fascism isn’t the default choice - propaganda. So we have these fights with liberals specifically because it creates the opportunities to counter the propaganda. The number of people in this comment section that don’t realize that Obama deported far more people than Trump has, and probably ever will, is staggering. The number of people who think that women got the right to vote by voting is staggering.
We know what the problem is, and it’s super obvious what the problem is when we say we won’t vote for a genocidaire and the liberals all pull out the daggers and screaming that lesser evil voting is literally the only path forward. The problem is fundamentally what people believe about the world and the gap between those beliefs and reality. The process of challenging those beliefs looks a lot like this.