Your study has a lot of issues, but mainly that it relies on data provided by ICE, but also that it does not clarify the difference in sexual assault under Obama vs. Under Trump. It could show a difference under Trump vs. Biden (or rather, Trump’s first term), but I don’t think you really read the report.
Regardless, there is currently ongoing rapes in concentration camps under Trump II, and a fuckton more than this study shows under both, so I really don’t see how this proves me wrong. Thanks for confirmation.
You just can’t seem to choose whether it’s OK to quantify harm and advocate for harm reduction on that basis or whether harm is qualitative and cannot be reduced to simple numerical comparison.
Which is it: it’s disgusting to the tell the victims of sexual violence under Obama and Biden that Trump is presiding over more of it and that’s why it’s OK to vote for Ds, or it’s virtuous to vote lesser evil and harm reduction on a quantitative basis?
Did Biden prosecute the perpetrators of sexual violence against detained immigrants? Did he address the harm? Or did he ignore the harm?
It sounds to me like you are deeply attached to the idea that Democrats are NOT actively participating in the system and that the Republicans are. To me, the evidence is clear that this is a Good Cop / Bad Cop situation and they both work for the same department and you’re just being duped by the routine.
I think you are the only one confused. I do not think your data shows that rapes of children was somehow less under Biden. Or even that rapes were less. They kinda cart out those pregnant children every day out there in New Jersey.
The only thing I see you do is take no stance. And that is because you have the privilege to take none. Maybe no one you know is being hurt worse from the decision of others. I think you should feel lucky. You must have a great life.
No, I am taking a stance. You just don’t like it. My stance is that voting Democrat won’t save anyone, that the Democrats have demonstrated that they will not only oversee the same atrocities of the Republicans but that they will not punish the criminals and they will give the fascist more tools every time they get to elected. My stance is that the only way to protect our siblings and elders and children is to fight, in the streets, in the workplaces, in public, shut down the economy, and force the issue because historically it is the only thing that has ever worked in this country. Women’s suffrage, labor rights, civil rights, and gay rights all came from riots and strikes, not from banging pots and voting.
Yes, that is not taking a stance. You just don’t like it. You can’t say what should be done, only one thing that shouldn’t. That’s what losers do because you can hide behind it and never take a real stance. Congratulations, you get to pretend you’re winning.
Man, I’ll just softball you. Can you list which elected Democrats believe that women should not be allowed to vote? Because there are a small but growing number of elected Republicans that have stated that women, in some capacity, should not be allowed to vote. Because they’re the same.
I literally said what to do. Just because your brain blackholes it when you read it doesn’t mean I didn’t say what should be done.
Your softball is virtue signalling. Of Democrats don’t say those things. They are the Good Cop in the system. Instead they say things like American politics should gate kept.
According to Zack Rosen, founder of California YIMBY and the Abundance Network, the problem with politics is Americans being too involved. Bemoaning the rise of small-dollar political donations in fundraising documents leaked to the Prospect, Rosen is blunt: “Small dollar internet fundraising makes politics dumber.” Rosen misses what he considers to be a bygone era of elite dominance. Lamenting the current state of democratized influence, Rosen says “the old gatekeepers were political professionals who could count cards; small dollar donors today are amateurs yanking the handles of ActBlue slot machines.”
The Democrats don’t have to believe that women shouldn’t vote, because the Republicans are doing it for them. The Democrats just sit there and do nothing to stop them. As we saw with Biden/Harris. They had the full unredacted Epstein Files. They did nothing with them. The Supreme Court said the POTUS could do anything they wanted to protect democracy. Biden said Trump was a threat to democracy. And then they all just let him run again. And then Biden refused to give Harris a chance to build a campaign until the last possible second. The Democrats CREATED this mess.
Trump’s deportation czar in both terms was Tom Homan. Homan was an Obama appointee, which is why Obama deported 3m people, 100% more than Trump has deported. The use of ICE and BORTAC in US cities was created by Obama changing the structure of information sharing and coordination, increasing headcount, and inceasing budget. The Republicans are using the tools the Democrats created and the Democrats don’t dismantle the tools when they get power. Instead, they enhance the tools and then act like it’s the voter’s fault when a Republican uses the tools.
If you can’t see the PR bullshit of the Democrats, if you don’t understand that they’re the Good Cop, then you’re the loser. You have an opportunity to fight your way out, but instead you’re telling all of us that we should trust the Good Cop because he clearly is nice and isn’t like the Bad Cop. That’s loser behavior
You write a lot of words for saying that you agree they are not the same. And, by that virtue, one must be better than the other. So, is voting the lesser evil bad or what? Or is your point that Republicans are the lesser evil?
I mean, I could go into a lot of depths about how the Supreme Court was stacked by Republicans, and that they give some unilateral power to Republican presidents in their ruling with the caveat that they get to decide at any point what is included in that.
But, I don’t think you really know anything about US law or USSC rulings or anything like that. I also doubt you care.
Like, I get the analogy, but… Most people would still rather have a good cop than a bad cop. Does that not make sense to you? And since I have two options, yeah, I still think your logic points towards voting for Democratic politicians. Because that is what your logic points to, and you refuse to refute that.
You write a lot of words for saying that you agree they are not the same
You really are attached to your own world view, to the point where you can’t understand anything anyone is saying to you.
And, by that virtue, one must be better than the other
This is as ridiculous as it is wrong.
So, is voting the lesser evil bad or what?
Yes, lesser evil voting is useless and nonsensical. It’s worse than useless. It’s surrender.
Or is your point that Republicans are the lesser evil?
My point is that lesser evil voting requires you to have some kind of way of assessing lesser evil and so many of the things people bring up as examples, like Trump deporting 1.5M people, are actually counter-examples to their own point because instead of actually examining evil and quantifying it they have literally no idea how bad the Democrats are and assume everything they here about Republicans is immediately worse. Showing everyone how bad the Democrats are is an attempt to break down the lesser evil belief and show how it’s built entirely on false premises.
I mean, I could go into a lot of depths about how the Supreme Court was stacked by Republicans
You could, but then we’d have to talk about how the Democrats literally said they wouldn’t use remove the filibuster to save the courts, and then literally removed it later to raise the debt ceiling, demonstrating that the Democrats literally had the power to address the Supreme Court stacking and chose not to.
that they give some unilateral power to Republican presidents in their ruling
They don’t actually.
with the caveat that they get to decide at any point what is included in that
Not in Trump v US they didn’t. They established a clear framework for immunity and Biden could easily have operated within it. And even if he did, AND the Rs tried to take him to court AND the SCOTUS decided against Biden, it would have taken years, and Trump wouldn’t be in office, and Biden would just as old and close to dying as he is now. Saying that SCOTUS is stacked by Rs and therefore everyone is powerless is loser behavior.
Like, I get the analogy
You clearly do not.
Most people would still rather have a good cop than a bad cop. Does that not make sense to you?
That’s not at all how the analogy works. Good Cap / Bad Cop is a manipulation routine where two cops working the same case take up different roles. One is the Bad Cop, who threatens the suspect, hits them, insults them, takes or destroys their belongings, etc. The other is the Good Cop, who comforts the suspect, opens up to them about their own feelings, brings them good food and drink, promises to take care of them. The point of the Good Cop / Bad Cop routine is to manipulate someone into trusting the Good Cop.
The reason cops do this routine is because they work together for the same goal. This is the analogy for the Ds and the Rs. As structural parties, not as individuals, the parties play the roles of Good Cop / Bad Cop. One scares half the population while the other comforts that half. They switch places for the other half of the population. They look like enemies. But they work together, dine together, go to school together, car pool together, travel together, golf together, party together, play sports together. Their kids go to the same schools and play together. They are literally colleagues. And as a structure, both parties have shared goals - maintain US dominance abroad, maintain the wealth of the rich, prevent the masses from getting in the way.
Does that make sense to you? That you don’t understand the Good Cop / Bad Cop analogy? That you didn’t actually know what I was saying.
And since I have two options, yeah, I still think your logic points towards voting for Democratic politicians. Because that is what your logic points to, and you refuse to refute that.
My logic says voting for the Democrats empowers the Republicans in next administration while maintaining the genocidal mass murdering authoritarian programs. Of the 10 countries the US basically completely demolished, 2 were exclusively presided over by Republican presidents and 2 were exclusively presided over by Democrat presidents. The rest were bi-partisan.
The School of the Americas that trained South American death squads, terrorists, and dictators was a bi-partisan project.
The US sanctions program has killed 40 million people over 50 years. 100% bi-partisan.
Does that not make sense to you? They are on the same team, with the same goals. They are playing you for a fool, just like the cops do when they want you to confess. The politicians are manipulating you into a single important position - don’t fight back.
Alright, so, let’s follow your logic. If they’re the same, then there’s nothing lost voting for Democrats. Again, that’s sort of the problem with your logic. You can say they’re the exact same, but… That doesn’t tell people not to vote for them. And that assumes you think they’re the same, which we have established that you don’t.
But like, then what about Democrats that aren’t supported by the DNC? Are they also the exact same? What about the Democrats that pass ranked choice voting initiatives? Are they the exact same? I would say no.
See? You continue to have no stance. If they’re the same, then voting for them should mean nothing to you. You should be okay with it, because, to you, it has no effect on anything.
Idk, pal, it just feels like you want a black and white world view, and you can only be good or bad. It’s a really childish sort of mentality. It’s weird that you continue to say Democrats are just as bad, and you attempt to label all Democrats as bad with that brush (and you do admit they aren’t the same). But… That’s not what your logic should conclude. And it makes me feel bad for you because you can’t see that.
Your study has a lot of issues, but mainly that it relies on data provided by ICE, but also that it does not clarify the difference in sexual assault under Obama vs. Under Trump. It could show a difference under Trump vs. Biden (or rather, Trump’s first term), but I don’t think you really read the report.
Regardless, there is currently ongoing rapes in concentration camps under Trump II, and a fuckton more than this study shows under both, so I really don’t see how this proves me wrong. Thanks for confirmation.
You just can’t seem to choose whether it’s OK to quantify harm and advocate for harm reduction on that basis or whether harm is qualitative and cannot be reduced to simple numerical comparison.
Which is it: it’s disgusting to the tell the victims of sexual violence under Obama and Biden that Trump is presiding over more of it and that’s why it’s OK to vote for Ds, or it’s virtuous to vote lesser evil and harm reduction on a quantitative basis?
Did Biden prosecute the perpetrators of sexual violence against detained immigrants? Did he address the harm? Or did he ignore the harm?
It sounds to me like you are deeply attached to the idea that Democrats are NOT actively participating in the system and that the Republicans are. To me, the evidence is clear that this is a Good Cop / Bad Cop situation and they both work for the same department and you’re just being duped by the routine.
I think you are the only one confused. I do not think your data shows that rapes of children was somehow less under Biden. Or even that rapes were less. They kinda cart out those pregnant children every day out there in New Jersey.
The only thing I see you do is take no stance. And that is because you have the privilege to take none. Maybe no one you know is being hurt worse from the decision of others. I think you should feel lucky. You must have a great life.
No, I am taking a stance. You just don’t like it. My stance is that voting Democrat won’t save anyone, that the Democrats have demonstrated that they will not only oversee the same atrocities of the Republicans but that they will not punish the criminals and they will give the fascist more tools every time they get to elected. My stance is that the only way to protect our siblings and elders and children is to fight, in the streets, in the workplaces, in public, shut down the economy, and force the issue because historically it is the only thing that has ever worked in this country. Women’s suffrage, labor rights, civil rights, and gay rights all came from riots and strikes, not from banging pots and voting.
Yes, that is not taking a stance. You just don’t like it. You can’t say what should be done, only one thing that shouldn’t. That’s what losers do because you can hide behind it and never take a real stance. Congratulations, you get to pretend you’re winning.
Man, I’ll just softball you. Can you list which elected Democrats believe that women should not be allowed to vote? Because there are a small but growing number of elected Republicans that have stated that women, in some capacity, should not be allowed to vote. Because they’re the same.
I literally said what to do. Just because your brain blackholes it when you read it doesn’t mean I didn’t say what should be done.
Your softball is virtue signalling. Of Democrats don’t say those things. They are the Good Cop in the system. Instead they say things like American politics should gate kept.
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The Democrats don’t have to believe that women shouldn’t vote, because the Republicans are doing it for them. The Democrats just sit there and do nothing to stop them. As we saw with Biden/Harris. They had the full unredacted Epstein Files. They did nothing with them. The Supreme Court said the POTUS could do anything they wanted to protect democracy. Biden said Trump was a threat to democracy. And then they all just let him run again. And then Biden refused to give Harris a chance to build a campaign until the last possible second. The Democrats CREATED this mess.
Trump’s deportation czar in both terms was Tom Homan. Homan was an Obama appointee, which is why Obama deported 3m people, 100% more than Trump has deported. The use of ICE and BORTAC in US cities was created by Obama changing the structure of information sharing and coordination, increasing headcount, and inceasing budget. The Republicans are using the tools the Democrats created and the Democrats don’t dismantle the tools when they get power. Instead, they enhance the tools and then act like it’s the voter’s fault when a Republican uses the tools.
If you can’t see the PR bullshit of the Democrats, if you don’t understand that they’re the Good Cop, then you’re the loser. You have an opportunity to fight your way out, but instead you’re telling all of us that we should trust the Good Cop because he clearly is nice and isn’t like the Bad Cop. That’s loser behavior
You write a lot of words for saying that you agree they are not the same. And, by that virtue, one must be better than the other. So, is voting the lesser evil bad or what? Or is your point that Republicans are the lesser evil?
I mean, I could go into a lot of depths about how the Supreme Court was stacked by Republicans, and that they give some unilateral power to Republican presidents in their ruling with the caveat that they get to decide at any point what is included in that.
But, I don’t think you really know anything about US law or USSC rulings or anything like that. I also doubt you care.
Like, I get the analogy, but… Most people would still rather have a good cop than a bad cop. Does that not make sense to you? And since I have two options, yeah, I still think your logic points towards voting for Democratic politicians. Because that is what your logic points to, and you refuse to refute that.
You really are attached to your own world view, to the point where you can’t understand anything anyone is saying to you.
This is as ridiculous as it is wrong.
Yes, lesser evil voting is useless and nonsensical. It’s worse than useless. It’s surrender.
My point is that lesser evil voting requires you to have some kind of way of assessing lesser evil and so many of the things people bring up as examples, like Trump deporting 1.5M people, are actually counter-examples to their own point because instead of actually examining evil and quantifying it they have literally no idea how bad the Democrats are and assume everything they here about Republicans is immediately worse. Showing everyone how bad the Democrats are is an attempt to break down the lesser evil belief and show how it’s built entirely on false premises.
You could, but then we’d have to talk about how the Democrats literally said they wouldn’t use remove the filibuster to save the courts, and then literally removed it later to raise the debt ceiling, demonstrating that the Democrats literally had the power to address the Supreme Court stacking and chose not to.
They don’t actually.
Not in Trump v US they didn’t. They established a clear framework for immunity and Biden could easily have operated within it. And even if he did, AND the Rs tried to take him to court AND the SCOTUS decided against Biden, it would have taken years, and Trump wouldn’t be in office, and Biden would just as old and close to dying as he is now. Saying that SCOTUS is stacked by Rs and therefore everyone is powerless is loser behavior.
You clearly do not.
That’s not at all how the analogy works. Good Cap / Bad Cop is a manipulation routine where two cops working the same case take up different roles. One is the Bad Cop, who threatens the suspect, hits them, insults them, takes or destroys their belongings, etc. The other is the Good Cop, who comforts the suspect, opens up to them about their own feelings, brings them good food and drink, promises to take care of them. The point of the Good Cop / Bad Cop routine is to manipulate someone into trusting the Good Cop.
The reason cops do this routine is because they work together for the same goal. This is the analogy for the Ds and the Rs. As structural parties, not as individuals, the parties play the roles of Good Cop / Bad Cop. One scares half the population while the other comforts that half. They switch places for the other half of the population. They look like enemies. But they work together, dine together, go to school together, car pool together, travel together, golf together, party together, play sports together. Their kids go to the same schools and play together. They are literally colleagues. And as a structure, both parties have shared goals - maintain US dominance abroad, maintain the wealth of the rich, prevent the masses from getting in the way.
Does that make sense to you? That you don’t understand the Good Cop / Bad Cop analogy? That you didn’t actually know what I was saying.
My logic says voting for the Democrats empowers the Republicans in next administration while maintaining the genocidal mass murdering authoritarian programs. Of the 10 countries the US basically completely demolished, 2 were exclusively presided over by Republican presidents and 2 were exclusively presided over by Democrat presidents. The rest were bi-partisan.
The School of the Americas that trained South American death squads, terrorists, and dictators was a bi-partisan project.
The US sanctions program has killed 40 million people over 50 years. 100% bi-partisan.
Does that not make sense to you? They are on the same team, with the same goals. They are playing you for a fool, just like the cops do when they want you to confess. The politicians are manipulating you into a single important position - don’t fight back.
Alright, so, let’s follow your logic. If they’re the same, then there’s nothing lost voting for Democrats. Again, that’s sort of the problem with your logic. You can say they’re the exact same, but… That doesn’t tell people not to vote for them. And that assumes you think they’re the same, which we have established that you don’t.
But like, then what about Democrats that aren’t supported by the DNC? Are they also the exact same? What about the Democrats that pass ranked choice voting initiatives? Are they the exact same? I would say no.
See? You continue to have no stance. If they’re the same, then voting for them should mean nothing to you. You should be okay with it, because, to you, it has no effect on anything.
Idk, pal, it just feels like you want a black and white world view, and you can only be good or bad. It’s a really childish sort of mentality. It’s weird that you continue to say Democrats are just as bad, and you attempt to label all Democrats as bad with that brush (and you do admit they aren’t the same). But… That’s not what your logic should conclude. And it makes me feel bad for you because you can’t see that.