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Being able to make apps in plain Python or Rust, without running Android Studio sounds like a dream.
Automatic simple things with cron.
Using standard systemd, pipewire, wayland software stack…
Being able to see data of apps and backup them with Restic or Syncthing.
Repurposing old smartphone as Raspberry Pi replacement…
Of course those would be good things. It still doesn’t sound like priority #1 when it comes to software freedom alone especially in a world where smartphones are mostly not open systems designed for installation of any new operating systems.
You know all the big FOSS projects are the same. Foss is nightly controlled by corporations because as much as people would like to deny it people like to eat.
Eh, for sure corporations do contribute a lot to every major FOSS project out there. I don’t expect huge, versatile codebases to be maintained by volunteers lemmy-style, and corpos are the dominant organization kind under the capitalist mode of production, so of course they will have the resources to have a foot in every door.
But the key differentiator is how much control any single entity has over the project’s code, maintenance and infrastructure. On one side of the spectrum there’s stuff like Rust or ffmpeg or GNU which are being pulled in various directions by various corpos and the community, on the other there’s stuff like Chromium and AOSP where Google unilaterally controls everything. Projects like Linux or Firefox fall somewhere in the middle. We desperately need more projects to be of the first kind, and I feel like to achieve this projects should go as far as to ban donations over a certain amount and limit the number of contributors affiliated with a single organization. “Avoid success at all costs” is my single favorite rule of FOSS building, and it should be applied to technical, financial and organizational decisions all the same.
I’m tempted to put Linux in the second class: I didn’t vote to put Linux in AI servers, defense projects, Teslas. I didn’t choose to ban devs based on their nationalities either. I’d be pretty wary of allowing MIT kernel modules.
I think the key point with Linux is that at least no single corporation has enough control over it to dictate the direction of the project on its own. Sure, modern Linux is fairly corporate and somewhat beholden to capitalist interests in general, but there’s a lot of different actors pulling things in different directions, and the community (by that I mean non-corpo interests) still plays a role in decision making.
I didn’t vote to put Linux in AI servers, defense projects, Teslas
The definition of FLOSS mandates that software authors relinquish control over how and by whom their software is used, see for example the JSON licensing controversy. But I agree that we should rethink this somewhat libertarian approach and at least try to prevent our software being used for evil.
I didn’t choose to ban devs based on their nationalities
Yeah that one was a yikes. Especially given it wasn’t even prompted by any legal threats, it was just the Linux devs complying with an unjust law prematurely.
I’d be pretty wary of allowing MIT kernel modules.
Wait, is that a thing?? Unless you mean the out of tree modules, in which case the MIT ones are not the worst offenders (looking at you NVidia)
Yes, alas the tech community is too infested of liberals who don’t see how the current make up of corpo backed up “foss” is bad for the overall community, like the commenter above. We’re in an all time high disinterestedness about FOSS policies and politics.
The guys who created the ecosystem were experienced adults, the kids who are inheriting it don’t know nothing and don’t want to learn it either.
The old men are culprit of this too, Linux was never aboult only “gaming like Windows” and they failed at teaching this. And here we are.
You know Foss is where it is right now because of corporation backing. Good or bad Linux the OS would not be where it is without the money. People are not going to donate and people have to provide for themselves and family.
I didn’t think Linux needs to be in defense systems and Teslas, for instance. You have money driven metrics of success that’s not necessarily true for FOSS. And nobody is talking about monry per si but about governance instead. Class struggle is how concessions are taken from the Capital, not by bending to the Man.
Nope, this os more about the state of things in general. I’m not only blaming the kids, certainly there also insidious work at play here in how nobody is stepping up to keep the boat on the original intended course.
And the old gurus are to blame as well, many either kneel to the Man with fat pockets or stopped to care.
As for what is the right course, do you see the “socialist” up there? That’s also a discussion we have in our circles. “Is mass adoption always good?” Or “Is it better to have 5% of highly engaged people in a community whom the (apolitical) ‘sheep’ will follow and learn to and to build up from there?” You may guess my favorite approach.
Linux is already the most common kernel in phones in 2026. In this case we really have to distinguish between Linux (incl. Android) and GNU/Linux.
And given that AOSP is already FOSS, it doesn’t exactly sound like a priority to reinvent the wheel of a FOSS smartphone OS.
Being able to make apps in plain Python or Rust, without running Android Studio sounds like a dream. Automatic simple things with cron. Using standard systemd, pipewire, wayland software stack… Being able to see data of apps and backup them with Restic or Syncthing. Repurposing old smartphone as Raspberry Pi replacement…
There are so many things we miss.
Replying from my SailfishOS phone. It’s everything you dreamed it is.
i dont want syst*md on my phone
the rest of gnulinux sounds good on mobile tho
Of course those would be good things. It still doesn’t sound like priority #1 when it comes to software freedom alone especially in a world where smartphones are mostly not open systems designed for installation of any new operating systems.
AOSP is controlled and maintained by a single bad-faith entity. We need a community-maintained, community-led replacement ASAP.
You know all the big FOSS projects are the same. Foss is nightly controlled by corporations because as much as people would like to deny it people like to eat.
Eh, for sure corporations do contribute a lot to every major FOSS project out there. I don’t expect huge, versatile codebases to be maintained by volunteers lemmy-style, and corpos are the dominant organization kind under the capitalist mode of production, so of course they will have the resources to have a foot in every door.
But the key differentiator is how much control any single entity has over the project’s code, maintenance and infrastructure. On one side of the spectrum there’s stuff like Rust or ffmpeg or GNU which are being pulled in various directions by various corpos and the community, on the other there’s stuff like Chromium and AOSP where Google unilaterally controls everything. Projects like Linux or Firefox fall somewhere in the middle. We desperately need more projects to be of the first kind, and I feel like to achieve this projects should go as far as to ban donations over a certain amount and limit the number of contributors affiliated with a single organization. “Avoid success at all costs” is my single favorite rule of FOSS building, and it should be applied to technical, financial and organizational decisions all the same.
I’m tempted to put Linux in the second class: I didn’t vote to put Linux in AI servers, defense projects, Teslas. I didn’t choose to ban devs based on their nationalities either. I’d be pretty wary of allowing MIT kernel modules.
I think the key point with Linux is that at least no single corporation has enough control over it to dictate the direction of the project on its own. Sure, modern Linux is fairly corporate and somewhat beholden to capitalist interests in general, but there’s a lot of different actors pulling things in different directions, and the community (by that I mean non-corpo interests) still plays a role in decision making.
The definition of FLOSS mandates that software authors relinquish control over how and by whom their software is used, see for example the JSON licensing controversy. But I agree that we should rethink this somewhat libertarian approach and at least try to prevent our software being used for evil.
Yeah that one was a yikes. Especially given it wasn’t even prompted by any legal threats, it was just the Linux devs complying with an unjust law prematurely.
Wait, is that a thing?? Unless you mean the out of tree modules, in which case the MIT ones are not the worst offenders (looking at you NVidia)
Yeah, out of tree modules… For now.
It’s too bad that Stallman is just a neckbeard ancap.
Yes, alas the tech community is too infested of liberals who don’t see how the current make up of corpo backed up “foss” is bad for the overall community, like the commenter above. We’re in an all time high disinterestedness about FOSS policies and politics.
The guys who created the ecosystem were experienced adults, the kids who are inheriting it don’t know nothing and don’t want to learn it either.
The old men are culprit of this too, Linux was never aboult only “gaming like Windows” and they failed at teaching this. And here we are.
You know Foss is where it is right now because of corporation backing. Good or bad Linux the OS would not be where it is without the money. People are not going to donate and people have to provide for themselves and family.
I didn’t think Linux needs to be in defense systems and Teslas, for instance. You have money driven metrics of success that’s not necessarily true for FOSS. And nobody is talking about monry per si but about governance instead. Class struggle is how concessions are taken from the Capital, not by bending to the Man.
back in my day <shakes fist at cloud>
pun definitely intendedNope, this os more about the state of things in general. I’m not only blaming the kids, certainly there also insidious work at play here in how nobody is stepping up to keep the boat on the original intended course.
And the old gurus are to blame as well, many either kneel to the Man with fat pockets or stopped to care.
As for what is the right course, do you see the “socialist” up there? That’s also a discussion we have in our circles. “Is mass adoption always good?” Or “Is it better to have 5% of highly engaged people in a community whom the (apolitical) ‘sheep’ will follow and learn to and to build up from there?” You may guess my favorite approach.
Do you work for free? People are doing this full time how do they live, in your scenario?
Again, that’s not the point.