Wrong country. We don’t do that up here. Overall, we find this results in fewer unnecessarily dead people.
Let’s say he’d had a gun, and used it against the police. He would just have gotten hit with an additional charge that could have been anything from resisting arrest to first-degree murder, depending on how good a shot he was. So he’d still be in prison even after being proven innocent of the original charge. Real smart.
You can’t stop the state from committing violence with a handgun, for crying out loud. Or even with a million handguns. The state will always have better equipment than you, most of which doesn’t require anyone to get within handgun range if they don’t want to. Granted, big missiles make a tremendous mess and they’d rather not use them, but the possibility is always there.
Expecting citizen violence to overthrow a modern government that’s dead set on preventing it is, to put it politely, unrealistic. Unless you can convince the military to take your side or at least bow out, removing the government’s ability to exert force, but you aren’t going to accomplish that by directing violence at the military.
not really the direction i was pointing out, but i’m always interested in the arms race between citizens and those that seek to rule. do you foresee heavier munitions being deployed (by any side)?
I keep on remembering a line from an old anime: “An unjust peace is better than a just war.” It keeps on floating through my head because it’s true for most people most of the time. Things have to get really bad—really bad—or at least you have to persuade people that they are, before you start seeing organized, armed insurrection on a large scale.
So what does it take? Lots of people being killed, maimed, or raped, at random and without any recourse, usually. Stealing enough children might also do it. Or a faction deliberately whipping the less-intelligent part of the population into a frenzy. Or really poor quality of life over the course of decades that makes people think they have nothing to lose. And even then it takes time if everything was peaceful for a generation or more before that, because at first people will hunker down and claim they’re dealing with “isolated incidents”, and that it can’t happen to them.
On the government side, what most governments want is to keep the economy running, because these days GDP is the measure of national success. For that, they need live workers and functioning civilian production equipment. That makes tear gas, handcuffs, and rubber bullets their weapons of choice and first resort.
For the government to haul out the big guns, one of two things has to happen. The first possibility is that it thinks it’s losing control to a point where it no longer has enough jack-booted thugs to keep its interests protected, and starts killing people and destroying material assets to make sure that at least no one else can have them.
The other possibility is that the upper echelons go completely Nazi Germany/Khmer Rouge level batshit, and enact bizarre murderous policies founded in deranged idealism. At that point, they often cease caring how they kill. (This includes governments that define some group of the people living in their country as subhuman.)
Are we going to see heavier munitions deployed in Canada over civil insurrection in the near future? I doubt it (and if it does happen, it’ll be in Alberta, not over the judiciary mistake from the original post). Is it going to happen anywhere in the world in the next decade? Possibly, because there are countries out there where people really do have nothing to lose and no way out, and governments whose grasp on power is shaky.
Or maybe if you had the 2nd they wouldn’t be so quick to arrest the wrong guy ad actually did their fucking job and investigated… No no that to lofty of a concept in canada…
The 2nd protects the 1st and you don’t have free speech.
We have the freedom of speech which as we all know States side went out with blackface trudeu in canada then used the emergency act (for the US thats literally Marshall Law) to quiet down protesters in Ottawa.
Only time ever used, for honking horns. Then seized their bank accounts. So much freedom.
Say what you will about us here but you guys really lost your spine.
Buddy, you live under a corrupt government that is robbing you blind. You have the opportunity to prove that your gun shopping hobby is not just consumer fetishism right now!
But you won’t, of course. You might as well be collecting dildos.
LOL you are in a country of ccp shills. Tell me how you lost one of the best cell phone manufactures to chinese spies. 30 million people and you can’t find housing because its all foreign owned…
I haven’t bought a gun in at least 7 years. Prolly cause I got all the ones I want (Others than a 686). But my dildo’s have value and use and you can’t have them up there.
Or, you know, you’d end up dead on your doorstep for trying to invoke your 2nd amendment to the fucking cops. That’s a good way to end up getting a Darwin award.
You do realist that “I am innocent, armed and will shoot if you try to arrest me” is possibly the worst conceivable way to avoid being unlawfully arrested, right?
There is quite literally nothing you could do to make it more certain that you will be either killed or arrested than trying to shoot your way out of being wrongly arrested.
I hope you also realise that the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and has a long and proud history of arresting and/or executing the wrong people. Literally any other system than the one you’re advocating for is provably superior when it comes to preventing the wrong people from being arrested.
Wrong country. We don’t do that up here. Overall, we find this results in fewer unnecessarily dead people.
Let’s say he’d had a gun, and used it against the police. He would just have gotten hit with an additional charge that could have been anything from resisting arrest to first-degree murder, depending on how good a shot he was. So he’d still be in prison even after being proven innocent of the original charge. Real smart.
You’re replying to a common rage baiter. Please ignore them in the future.
i believe the implication is that when injustice is commonly met with this response, those seeking to exert force upon others do their due diligence
versus the “only the state can do violence and we never make mistakes hurr hurr” that (ahem) they really want the global population to internalize
You can’t stop the state from committing violence with a handgun, for crying out loud. Or even with a million handguns. The state will always have better equipment than you, most of which doesn’t require anyone to get within handgun range if they don’t want to. Granted, big missiles make a tremendous mess and they’d rather not use them, but the possibility is always there.
Expecting citizen violence to overthrow a modern government that’s dead set on preventing it is, to put it politely, unrealistic. Unless you can convince the military to take your side or at least bow out, removing the government’s ability to exert force, but you aren’t going to accomplish that by directing violence at the military.
In which country?
I keep on remembering a line from an old anime: “An unjust peace is better than a just war.” It keeps on floating through my head because it’s true for most people most of the time. Things have to get really bad—really bad—or at least you have to persuade people that they are, before you start seeing organized, armed insurrection on a large scale.
So what does it take? Lots of people being killed, maimed, or raped, at random and without any recourse, usually. Stealing enough children might also do it. Or a faction deliberately whipping the less-intelligent part of the population into a frenzy. Or really poor quality of life over the course of decades that makes people think they have nothing to lose. And even then it takes time if everything was peaceful for a generation or more before that, because at first people will hunker down and claim they’re dealing with “isolated incidents”, and that it can’t happen to them.
On the government side, what most governments want is to keep the economy running, because these days GDP is the measure of national success. For that, they need live workers and functioning civilian production equipment. That makes tear gas, handcuffs, and rubber bullets their weapons of choice and first resort.
For the government to haul out the big guns, one of two things has to happen. The first possibility is that it thinks it’s losing control to a point where it no longer has enough jack-booted thugs to keep its interests protected, and starts killing people and destroying material assets to make sure that at least no one else can have them.
The other possibility is that the upper echelons go completely Nazi Germany/Khmer Rouge level batshit, and enact bizarre murderous policies founded in deranged idealism. At that point, they often cease caring how they kill. (This includes governments that define some group of the people living in their country as subhuman.)
Are we going to see heavier munitions deployed in Canada over civil insurrection in the near future? I doubt it (and if it does happen, it’ll be in Alberta, not over the judiciary mistake from the original post). Is it going to happen anywhere in the world in the next decade? Possibly, because there are countries out there where people really do have nothing to lose and no way out, and governments whose grasp on power is shaky.
How’s that working out for no-knock warrants in the USA?
i don’t know - have you read anything interesting lately?
Or maybe if you had the 2nd they wouldn’t be so quick to arrest the wrong guy ad actually did their fucking job and investigated… No no that to lofty of a concept in canada…
The 2nd protects the 1st and you don’t have free speech.
Yeah, no one is ever wrongfully arrested and convicted in the USA. You guys are famously standing up to tyranny, brave yankee.
We have the freedom of speech which as we all know States side went out with blackface trudeu in canada then used the emergency act (for the US thats literally Marshall Law) to quiet down protesters in Ottawa.
Only time ever used, for honking horns. Then seized their bank accounts. So much freedom.
Say what you will about us here but you guys really lost your spine.
Buddy, you live under a corrupt government that is robbing you blind. You have the opportunity to prove that your gun shopping hobby is not just consumer fetishism right now!
But you won’t, of course. You might as well be collecting dildos.
LOL you are in a country of ccp shills. Tell me how you lost one of the best cell phone manufactures to chinese spies. 30 million people and you can’t find housing because its all foreign owned…
I haven’t bought a gun in at least 7 years. Prolly cause I got all the ones I want (Others than a 686). But my dildo’s have value and use and you can’t have them up there.
Oh, we are all aware of what you use your dildos for. Certainly not “defending against tyranny.”
Sure ok buddy.
We’re dealing with a real stable genius here.
The US is currently having some concentration camps and ICE literally kidnapping people on the street and no 2nd amendment nut is doing shit.
So shut the fuck up with your dumb rhetoric.
Or, you know, you’d end up dead on your doorstep for trying to invoke your 2nd amendment to the fucking cops. That’s a good way to end up getting a Darwin award.
Some say its “Better to die on my feet than die on my knees.”
You do realist that “I am innocent, armed and will shoot if you try to arrest me” is possibly the worst conceivable way to avoid being unlawfully arrested, right?
There is quite literally nothing you could do to make it more certain that you will be either killed or arrested than trying to shoot your way out of being wrongly arrested.
I hope you also realise that the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and has a long and proud history of arresting and/or executing the wrong people. Literally any other system than the one you’re advocating for is provably superior when it comes to preventing the wrong people from being arrested.