Nah, they’re not “getting psychosis”, AI is revealing their psychosis. We’re talking about people used to convincing themselves that infinite growth is possible in a finite world, that fascism is a solution, that they made themselves with no help, that they deserve to be paid hundreds of times more than their most basic employees, that being a billionaire is ethical, etc etc. And we used to accept all that for a contract and a salary. They’re breaking the socio-professional contract with AI, now.
CEOs, HRs, the corporate world in general HAVE ALWAYS BEEN 100% PSYCHOTIC. Why do we think capitalism and the workplace are so alienating in the first place? Why do we think they need to invest millions, if not billions, in PR, medias and propaganda? The upper you go, the batshit crazier things get.
You’ve hit the nail on the head with the Infinite Growth statement. Most companies see AI as the next way to cut bottom line costs and hit those annual goals. It’s an ouroboros that most companies haven’t seen the end of yet. Eventually they’ll be left with no talent (arguably the most valuable thing a company can acquire) and uninteresting products nobody is interested in.
How do you train newbies into useful employees when you let AI handle the easy stuff. Where’s your pipeline of promotions so you’re developing your next generation of developers? Once the shit starts to hit the fan, you’ll see them crumble and ask how we got here. Human talent takes YEARS to cultivate and is extremely hard to buy, especially when competition builds from reducing the supply when people stop going into these fields for lack of entry-level jobs.
Psychosis is something that builds over time with many factors and AI is one that can definitely be one of the contributing factors. It can be the one that pushes someone over the edge into psychosis and that may seem as “revealing” it but the psychosis could have been avoided without.
That “build-up” you are talking about, that’s called business school followed by entry level management or internship, where modern managers brush over learning their business, in favor of seeking efficiency purely in terms of dollars in/dollars out, in opposition to any other metric.
No, like the article said: “it’s not as if the current industry problems are unprecedented, or came out of nowhere. Since the advent of modern capitalism (and likely a long while before that), those in charge have often misunderstood, underestimated, or dismissed the hard work that goes into labour they don’t understand.”
This and a tendency to abuse workers have always existed. Management isn’t the victim here, the AI has just removed the limiter, such as it was.
Did AI remove the limiter? Or is it actively pushing people towards delusion by agreeing with whats being said and validating the persons delusionary thoughts as how reality works?
You’re making the assumption that all “bosses” mentioned in the article are people seeking infinite growth.
You’re making an assumption about a group of people you know nothing about and trying to link them with people suffering from psychosis. Essentially grouping “people suffering from psychosis” together with “greedy CEO’s”. Whereas greedy CEO’s could also simply be narcissistic, evil or simply lying to others to get more money.
By grouping them with psychosis sufferers you’re denying the sufferers their lived experience in favor of assumptions.
Greed is a symptom of possibly many mental conditions. You’re all over the place. All these things you’re arguing against are well established ideas, both in common experience and the psychological community.
It’s near the bottom but Tarn Adams notes the same thing, that it has been happening far longer than just starting when LLMs became popular.
“It’s been going on forever. That was before AI—or this form of AI,” Adams says, before lamenting: “They took the letters from me! I have to talk about dwarf behavior now. I can’t even talk about dwarf AI. It doesn’t exist. It’s dwarf behavior, and they misbehave sometimes.”
Well, the amount of bullshit is limited by the number of sources producing it (whether occasionally or frequently, accidentally or intentionally) and their respective capacities. Between human fallibility and the invention of machines to automate bullshit production, I fear that this limit may be much higher than either of us would like.
Nah, they’re not “getting psychosis”, AI is revealing their psychosis. We’re talking about people used to convincing themselves that infinite growth is possible in a finite world, that fascism is a solution, that they made themselves with no help, that they deserve to be paid hundreds of times more than their most basic employees, that being a billionaire is ethical, etc etc. And we used to accept all that for a contract and a salary. They’re breaking the socio-professional contract with AI, now.
CEOs, HRs, the corporate world in general HAVE ALWAYS BEEN 100% PSYCHOTIC. Why do we think capitalism and the workplace are so alienating in the first place? Why do we think they need to invest millions, if not billions, in PR, medias and propaganda? The upper you go, the batshit crazier things get.
You’ve hit the nail on the head with the Infinite Growth statement. Most companies see AI as the next way to cut bottom line costs and hit those annual goals. It’s an ouroboros that most companies haven’t seen the end of yet. Eventually they’ll be left with no talent (arguably the most valuable thing a company can acquire) and uninteresting products nobody is interested in.
How do you train newbies into useful employees when you let AI handle the easy stuff. Where’s your pipeline of promotions so you’re developing your next generation of developers? Once the shit starts to hit the fan, you’ll see them crumble and ask how we got here. Human talent takes YEARS to cultivate and is extremely hard to buy, especially when competition builds from reducing the supply when people stop going into these fields for lack of entry-level jobs.
Its Cronus devouring his children. Feeding on the young for short term sustenance
It really is an ouroboros pretending there is no problem nibbling on the back of its own head after consuming everything else
Respectfully: no.
Psychosis is something that builds over time with many factors and AI is one that can definitely be one of the contributing factors. It can be the one that pushes someone over the edge into psychosis and that may seem as “revealing” it but the psychosis could have been avoided without.
This line of thinking feels dangerous to me.
That “build-up” you are talking about, that’s called business school followed by entry level management or internship, where modern managers brush over learning their business, in favor of seeking efficiency purely in terms of dollars in/dollars out, in opposition to any other metric.
Its Cronus devouring his children. Feeding on the young for short term sustenance.
Idunno man, sounds like you’re trying to shift the blame from AI inducing psychosis in people towards the people affected by it
(https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12712562/)
No, like the article said: “it’s not as if the current industry problems are unprecedented, or came out of nowhere. Since the advent of modern capitalism (and likely a long while before that), those in charge have often misunderstood, underestimated, or dismissed the hard work that goes into labour they don’t understand.”
This and a tendency to abuse workers have always existed. Management isn’t the victim here, the AI has just removed the limiter, such as it was.
Did AI remove the limiter? Or is it actively pushing people towards delusion by agreeing with whats being said and validating the persons delusionary thoughts as how reality works?
Are you suggesting the ‘line must go up’ mentality only emerged after the advent of AI?
No.
I’m mad about the misrepresentation of psychosis
Ah, ok. So for my next question, why is seeking infinite growth not a psychotic delusion?
You’re making the assumption that all “bosses” mentioned in the article are people seeking infinite growth.
You’re making an assumption about a group of people you know nothing about and trying to link them with people suffering from psychosis. Essentially grouping “people suffering from psychosis” together with “greedy CEO’s”. Whereas greedy CEO’s could also simply be narcissistic, evil or simply lying to others to get more money.
By grouping them with psychosis sufferers you’re denying the sufferers their lived experience in favor of assumptions.
a state of distorted reality, marked by disturbances in perception and thought, disorganized behavior, and negative symptoms
Ticks those boxes
Or they’re lying for money rather than suffering from a mental condition.
https://dangoyal.substack.com/p/the-neuroscience-of-greed
Greed is a symptom of possibly many mental conditions. You’re all over the place. All these things you’re arguing against are well established ideas, both in common experience and the psychological community.
You also seem to be using darvo.
It’s near the bottom but Tarn Adams notes the same thing, that it has been happening far longer than just starting when LLMs became popular.
I’m always amazed at people who can’t understand that EVERY system is finite.
We’ve gotta be almost out of bullshit by now.
Well, the amount of bullshit is limited by the number of sources producing it (whether occasionally or frequently, accidentally or intentionally) and their respective capacities. Between human fallibility and the invention of machines to automate bullshit production, I fear that this limit may be much higher than either of us would like.
Eventually the sewer pipes become clogged and can’t carry any more.