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      https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur50/040/2014/en/ https://www.hrw.org/report/2016/07/21/you-dont-exist/arbitrary-detentions-enforced-disappearances-and-torture-eastern

      i can’t say these are very good sources since they’re western so they’re in bed with the us regime.

      It’s not Europe. It’s a bit different… There is a war here. The law has changed, procedures have been simplified… If I choose to, I can have you arrested right now, put a bag over your head and lock you up in a cellar for 30 days on suspicion of aiding separatists. –Aidar battalion commander to Amnesty International researcher

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        An article from Russian state-owned media?

        As far as the report goes, I’ll have to get back to you on that when I have a chance to read it. But leading with an RIA article doesn’t really help your article.

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          Yes. State media often has better access to public figures, like this one which cites the president of the Republic. I could also waste my time looking an article by the very unbiased BBC or AP or Reuters paraphrasing this one, but personally I prefer getting as close as possible to first hand sources. I also prefer to remain critical of all media, and read articles critically instead of short-circuiting my brain to “is this on list of media my bourgeois government approved for me?”

          Having done that its pretty clear - which one can corrobate if they wish - that the president of the Republic urged its citizens to evavuate to Russia due to the increasingly aggressive attacks by Ukrainian artillery on civilians.
          I then gave you a report that supported his claims. Sorry I dared to use state affiliated media in order to quote a state official on actions taken by the state. I’ll do better next time and look for something written in a newspaper owned by a proper american oligarch or one with a track record about lying properly to further American foreign interests

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            is this on list of media my bourgeois government approved for me?"

            Oh, well I guess you got me there. Better go ahead and share the bourgeois Russian state media source.

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              Hey buddy, how about responding to the rest of what I wrote? Or are you just going to retreat to your grotto, dismayed that you were given something that challenged your conventions?

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                they do this all the time, ignore all the overwhelming evidence and only focus on one thing that looks like they can dismantle. Not in name of a legit argument but because of an intense chauvinistic and reactionary impulse to defend their worldview.

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                  The silent downvote is probably the most pathetic part. I got a comment removed for being “uncivil” - The comment was me pointing out someone was dodging the question, literally just “answer the question”. Its such a deep part of a part of these peoples character, that challenging it is seen as rude, apparently.

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              Would have been a good if I hadnt written the rest of what I wrote, now it just looks like you struggle with reading.