They’re the same. They both fuck over minorities, they both increase deportations, they are both warmongers, they both do genocide, they both fuck over the climate, they both fuck over women, they both fuck over queer people, they are both parties full of geriatric genocidal fascist pedophiles.
“Think” might be a strong word if you believe they are equal. If you truly think they are equally bad, why do you continually describe the Democrats as being bad because they allow the Republicans to do bad things? Surely there would be no need to use them as a proxy if both parties are doing equally bad things on their own? You know deep down that the Democrats are a passive evil rather than an active one, don’t pretend you believe they are identical.
Not going to bother responding to this well, but if you want to know my understanding of the situation:
They’re the same.
No
They both fuck over minorities, […] they both fuck over women, they both fuck over queer people,
Tends to be Republicans by a fairly wide margin
they both increase deportations,
See my previous comments in this thread, this is true but I do not believe deportations under Biden have caused as much harm as the ones under Trump.
they are both warmongers,
Again, true but tends to favor Republicans. Obama got the Iran conflict under control until Trump blew it up again, for example.
they both do genocide,
True
they both fuck over the climate,
True, but favors Republicans especially with the complete gutting of the EPA recently.
they are both parties full of geriatric
Yes, in fact the average age is basically identical
genocidal
Yes, although detractors tend to be Democrats as it’s the best party for them
fascist
Same as above, nonfascists always choose the Democratic party. I wonder why?
pedophiles.
HEAVILY favors Republicans.
Conclusion: Democrats are a better choice than republicans, and claiming they are the same is illogical.
Read the link, you’re saying absolutely nothing that hasnt been addressed.
why do you continually describe the Democrats as being bad because they allow the Republicans to do bad things?
When they’re not already doing it themselves it is because the republicans are already doing it for them. Like the crime bill.
If it werent in their interests then they would roll it back or oppose it.
The rest, and really this point too, has already been adressed by the link. Im not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing, so I won’t waste more time giving rebuttals to something that is already refuted by the linking of another comment. If you actually want to discuss these things, then do it with the modicum of civility it requires to actually engage with the other. Otherwise you’re just trolling.
LMFAO this is literally the same from an outside perspective. You BLUEmaga people really do only care about decorum and domestic issues in politics. You even admit that Biden wasn’t good. It’s all “lesser evil” for you. And guess what, evil is still evil you fucking idiot.
I care about decorum insofar as I think in personal discussions calling someone a fucking idiot is not useful to understanding or changing their views. In politics I don’t really care about decorum? Why do you think I would?
As for domestic issues: Yeah I care about them, I fucking live here. If both practical options have the same outcome outside the nation but vastly different ones inside, why wouldn’t I vote for the party that’s going to improve one of them? It’s not like the democrats are worse than the republicans internationally.
As long as there are two choices in this system I will always choose the better choice. Not doing so is completely illogical. If you want a choice that’s not evil you have to work to change the system entirely. If you were planning on doing that, why not also make things less bad when you can?
That’s literally the point, you will legitimize a system if it serves you. You do not consider how your rationale and accepting this harms farm more people. Billions vs. a few million within the Imperial Core.
Just so you know, marginalized groups in your own country do not fare any better under a democrat. They are still all the time under threat of ICE, they were so under Biden but you lot just did not give a single fucking shit about it because liberals lack object permanence.
Just so you know, marginalized groups in your own country do not fare any better under a democrat
You might actually be delusional. Name any metric under which a marginalized group could fare better or worse and I will show you the difference.
Anyways “legitimizing” is a vague principle that leads to incorrect choices. If there would be a real, practical effect you could point to, you wouldn’t have to speak so vaguely.
You might actually be delusional. Name any metric under which a marginalized group could fare better or worse and I will show you the difference.
Deportations.
Anyways “legitimizing” is a vague principle that leads to incorrect choices. If there would be a real, practical effect you could point to, you wouldn’t have to speak so vaguely.
It’s called reading theory and organizing with communists and preparing for a revolution.
No the democrats are doing the exact same, thats not an exaggeration. They are both committing a genocide.
You are free to believe they are equivalent in spite of the many, many differences. I’m not having this argument again.
Oh wow thank you for allowing me to think things! I have also had this discussion before
They’re the same. They both fuck over minorities, they both increase deportations, they are both warmongers, they both do genocide, they both fuck over the climate, they both fuck over women, they both fuck over queer people, they are both parties full of geriatric genocidal fascist pedophiles.
“Think” might be a strong word if you believe they are equal. If you truly think they are equally bad, why do you continually describe the Democrats as being bad because they allow the Republicans to do bad things? Surely there would be no need to use them as a proxy if both parties are doing equally bad things on their own? You know deep down that the Democrats are a passive evil rather than an active one, don’t pretend you believe they are identical.
Not going to bother responding to this well, but if you want to know my understanding of the situation:
No
Tends to be Republicans by a fairly wide margin
See my previous comments in this thread, this is true but I do not believe deportations under Biden have caused as much harm as the ones under Trump.
Again, true but tends to favor Republicans. Obama got the Iran conflict under control until Trump blew it up again, for example.
True
True, but favors Republicans especially with the complete gutting of the EPA recently.
Yes, in fact the average age is basically identical
Yes, although detractors tend to be Democrats as it’s the best party for them
Same as above, nonfascists always choose the Democratic party. I wonder why?
HEAVILY favors Republicans.
Conclusion: Democrats are a better choice than republicans, and claiming they are the same is illogical.
Wowww so uncivil!
Read the link, you’re saying absolutely nothing that hasnt been addressed.
When they’re not already doing it themselves it is because the republicans are already doing it for them. Like the crime bill.
If it werent in their interests then they would roll it back or oppose it.
The rest, and really this point too, has already been adressed by the link. Im not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing, so I won’t waste more time giving rebuttals to something that is already refuted by the linking of another comment. If you actually want to discuss these things, then do it with the modicum of civility it requires to actually engage with the other. Otherwise you’re just trolling.
so many differences? give a few examples
Ok
You know this thread makes you look like an uninformed moron, right?
LMFAO this is literally the same from an outside perspective. You BLUEmaga people really do only care about decorum and domestic issues in politics. You even admit that Biden wasn’t good. It’s all “lesser evil” for you. And guess what, evil is still evil you fucking idiot.
I care about decorum insofar as I think in personal discussions calling someone a fucking idiot is not useful to understanding or changing their views. In politics I don’t really care about decorum? Why do you think I would?
As for domestic issues: Yeah I care about them, I fucking live here. If both practical options have the same outcome outside the nation but vastly different ones inside, why wouldn’t I vote for the party that’s going to improve one of them? It’s not like the democrats are worse than the republicans internationally.
As long as there are two choices in this system I will always choose the better choice. Not doing so is completely illogical. If you want a choice that’s not evil you have to work to change the system entirely. If you were planning on doing that, why not also make things less bad when you can?
That’s literally the point, you will legitimize a system if it serves you. You do not consider how your rationale and accepting this harms farm more people. Billions vs. a few million within the Imperial Core.
Just so you know, marginalized groups in your own country do not fare any better under a democrat. They are still all the time under threat of ICE, they were so under Biden but you lot just did not give a single fucking shit about it because liberals lack object permanence.
You might actually be delusional. Name any metric under which a marginalized group could fare better or worse and I will show you the difference.
Anyways “legitimizing” is a vague principle that leads to incorrect choices. If there would be a real, practical effect you could point to, you wouldn’t have to speak so vaguely.
Deportations.
It’s called reading theory and organizing with communists and preparing for a revolution.