That’s EXACTLY MY POINT. If someone agrees with you, then why lead with something as pretentious and haughty as “Not to knock your worthy efforst, but…”
Why talk down to someone like that and adopt the tone of a pretentious debatelord when you ultimately agree with the other person?
I encountered people like that all over reddit, so I recognize them – the type of people who think any conversation is a debate that you must “win.” It’s precisely because he does agree with me that I’m so miffed.
They weren’t being pretentious or haughty. They amended one of your statements because it was a little inaccurate, then agreed that your wider point is correct. Because, yes, “wanting to hold on to what you have earned” is indeed an ideologically driven position
It wasn’t, though. There was nothing I said that needed amending, nor nothing they said that effectively amended. And they weren’t called upon to do so. They could have said the same exact thing without coming off like a prick.
Let’s please keep this civil. I respectfully disagree, but I have no problem with you voicing your opinion. The issue is your assumption that the person who disagrees with you is a horrible individual, simply because they have a different opinion. I don’t even care who’s right at this point - we can debate an issue without insulting each other. And even if you’re enraged by it, hiding that fact and calmly countering their opinion with logic is far more effective at winning over an audience…
Edit: Before any accusation of unfair treatment is made, I’d like to clarify that I disapprove of the original comment’s rhetoric as well - there was no good reason to insult conservatives (“greedy [expletive]”) like they did.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Conservatives should be systemically and socially deplatformed and disenfranchised.
My issue with the person I was speaking to was the haughty arrogance they led with, presuming to argue with me about… what? Nothing they said contradicted what I was saying; yet, they come at me like a debatelord?
And now you have the arrogance to lecture me on the correct take ™? Literally cis white male energy. stfu
There wasn’t any “haughty arrogance,” they were just adding on to what you said with their view, and (from my understanding) were attempting to be polite by clarifying how your point still stands. Not everything is an argument…
What the fuck? The irony of you pointing this out to me when the other guy leads with things like ““Not to knock your worthy efforts, but…” like a pretentious debatelord who’s full of himself. I agree that not everything is an argument, which is exactly why I was calling him out.
I was trying to help explain why I think people aren’t exactly reacting positively to your critique (and I could be wrong, but to me it comes across as overly inflammatory). I’m very sorry if it came across as disrespectful.
And there is no “correct take”, it just seems, in my opinion, a bit counterproductive to be insulting. Sorry if it came across as “cis white” mansplaining…
Sincerely,
A queer, brown liberal NB furry.
(p.s. - I’ll overlook the misgendering and whitewashing since, in the heat of debate, I failed to introduce myself with pronouns. Although I am confused as to whatever my race has to do with it. And sorry if my language sounds “arrogant” or “too formal” - I’m autistic, this is literally how I talk…)
I’m genuinely sorry for misgendering you and for bringing race into it. It’s not that people aren’t reacting positively to my critique. I don’t care about that. It’s the other person talking down to me like I’m a fool or a child and he’s in some formal debate that he has to “win.” The last thing I need are other people inserting their opinions into the mix about how I should speak politely to that person when he was being such a cock.
And what I meant by “cis white male energy” is people feel the need to tell you their opinion, to the point that multiple people are dogpiling you telling you the same thing, none of which ever addresses the real issue.
And I think you ought to keep your thoughts to yourself, if you have nothing worth contributing besides haughty arrogance and presumption.
Besides, I did read their whole comment. That’s what I responded to.
Wtf dude chill
Just saying, the second and third paragraph seem to agree with you
That’s EXACTLY MY POINT. If someone agrees with you, then why lead with something as pretentious and haughty as “Not to knock your worthy efforst, but…”
Why talk down to someone like that and adopt the tone of a pretentious debatelord when you ultimately agree with the other person?
I encountered people like that all over reddit, so I recognize them – the type of people who think any conversation is a debate that you must “win.” It’s precisely because he does agree with me that I’m so miffed.
They weren’t being pretentious or haughty. They amended one of your statements because it was a little inaccurate, then agreed that your wider point is correct. Because, yes, “wanting to hold on to what you have earned” is indeed an ideologically driven position
It wasn’t, though. There was nothing I said that needed amending, nor nothing they said that effectively amended. And they weren’t called upon to do so. They could have said the same exact thing without coming off like a prick.
It was, because like I said, it is ideological. You said it wasn’t. After I’ve explained my point, you can’t just say “nuh uh”.
What?? You need to go back and re-read who said what. I said it is ideological. It’s the other guy who said that it’s not.
Are … you replying to the wrong user? Oh gods, do you think I"m … him? 🤮
Oh dear, I’m sorry about that.
Let’s please keep this civil. I respectfully disagree, but I have no problem with you voicing your opinion. The issue is your assumption that the person who disagrees with you is a horrible individual, simply because they have a different opinion. I don’t even care who’s right at this point - we can debate an issue without insulting each other. And even if you’re enraged by it, hiding that fact and calmly countering their opinion with logic is far more effective at winning over an audience…
Edit: Before any accusation of unfair treatment is made, I’d like to clarify that I disapprove of the original comment’s rhetoric as well - there was no good reason to insult conservatives (“greedy [expletive]”) like they did.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Conservatives should be systemically and socially deplatformed and disenfranchised.
My issue with the person I was speaking to was the haughty arrogance they led with, presuming to argue with me about… what? Nothing they said contradicted what I was saying; yet, they come at me like a debatelord?
And now you have the arrogance to lecture me on the correct take ™? Literally cis white male energy. stfu
There wasn’t any “haughty arrogance,” they were just adding on to what you said with their view, and (from my understanding) were attempting to be polite by clarifying how your point still stands. Not everything is an argument…
What the fuck? The irony of you pointing this out to me when the other guy leads with things like ““Not to knock your worthy efforts, but…” like a pretentious debatelord who’s full of himself. I agree that not everything is an argument, which is exactly why I was calling him out.
I was trying to help explain why I think people aren’t exactly reacting positively to your critique (and I could be wrong, but to me it comes across as overly inflammatory). I’m very sorry if it came across as disrespectful.
And there is no “correct take”, it just seems, in my opinion, a bit counterproductive to be insulting. Sorry if it came across as “cis white” mansplaining…
Sincerely,
A queer, brown liberal NB furry.
(p.s. - I’ll overlook the misgendering and whitewashing since, in the heat of debate, I failed to introduce myself with pronouns. Although I am confused as to whatever my race has to do with it. And sorry if my language sounds “arrogant” or “too formal” - I’m autistic, this is literally how I talk…)
I’m genuinely sorry for misgendering you and for bringing race into it. It’s not that people aren’t reacting positively to my critique. I don’t care about that. It’s the other person talking down to me like I’m a fool or a child and he’s in some formal debate that he has to “win.” The last thing I need are other people inserting their opinions into the mix about how I should speak politely to that person when he was being such a cock.
And what I meant by “cis white male energy” is people feel the need to tell you their opinion, to the point that multiple people are dogpiling you telling you the same thing, none of which ever addresses the real issue.