I don’t think it would, this is a very different situation than those ones I laid out where a person is insisting that some character must be trans because they believe it as their headcanon, but believe their headcanon is objectively correct because [intert justification here]. So I don’t think this is remotely an issue here.

I should note this comment is about discussion among trans people, I basically don’t trust cis people to not stomp on toes while doing this.

Good, I’m not a cis person (despite the gatekeeping transphobic idiots who say I am).

Ultimately we need to ask if the egg prime directive is there for us to serve it or it to serve us. If we’re at the point that some trans people feel they can’t talk about trans interpretations of fictional characters without being afraid of getting banned, that’s a messed up application of the rules.

The Egg Prime directive is here to serve all queer people, all of LGBTQIA+. It exists because people deserve to be themselves and not have their identity invalidated for it. It is being enforced more strongly here and now because a lot of people unfortunately do not recognize in their hearts how calling someone an egg based on presentation is a bad thing, or just how bad it is. And actually this interpretation about misgendering characters isn’t really new. Blahaj has always had rules against misgendering as a whole, even towards fictional characters.

A headcanon is different and people can have headcanons though it must be clear they are headcanons, what people on the old r/egg_irl have done where they try and force it as the only true interpretation and attack people who disagree with them and screech transphobia at them (without any transphobia happening might I add). Absolutely crosses the line.

It’s very important to remember that headcanons are headcanons, and I bring this up because there are people that try and argue that they are the objectively and only correct version, and try and say that people who don’t follow that person’s headcanons are transphobic.

It becomes problematic when it becomes misgendering, fictional misgendering doesn’t fly, even though it is fictional. When a character openly and repeatedly affirms their identity as a boy, at that point we’re straddling the line between head-canon and misgendering and at that point if someone decides to force it onto people and insist it isn’t a headcanon (like I called out above) it becomes an example of fictional misgendering.

Would Bridget have become canonically trans if that freedom was taken away from people?

You mean if Bridget had been written to be a feminine boy and said she was a boy? No, it just wouldn’t happen. People can have their headcanons but if Bridget had stayed canonically a femboy those would just be headcanons and people wouldn’t be able to force them onto non-believers or accuse people of transphobia for not believing them.

If on the other hand you mean the series was abandoned and there is no more canon with only new fanmade content being produced the situation changes, like what you mentioned with Xenia, the old Linux Mascot.

I don’t agree with that, and if someone creates a post saying that Felix or Astolfo are eggs and people need to accept that they’re trans girls in denial, that post will be removed just the same as a post that directly and blatantly misgenders fictional characters would be. Egging in those contexts is blatant misgendering, some cases like the one the OP mentioned aren’t so bad and will be left up, even though I’ll still personally and morally judge them.

Misgendering though doesn’t fly here, that’s actually also a Blahaj rule too, people who misgender others, even fictional characters can get banned from Blahaj for it. I’ve seen it happen before.

Oh and by the way, yes it is different to say that Bridget is trans than it is to say that Felix is trans, because bridget is canonically trans, while Felix blatantly says “I am a boy”. So that’s not a gotcha there. Fictional misgendering is misgendering, and that’s not up for debate or argument.

I just want to say, I left the post up because it was a fictional setting and said post doesn’t actually break the egg prime directive. Though I will still criticize it on that merit because the thing is. Violations of the Egg prime directive are seen way too lightly, and as I said in my other comment aren’t really recognized in our hearts as being as harmful as they really are. It’s why people even think they’re funny or relatable when a similar situation making light of transmisogyny wouldn’t be. Of course displays of fictional transmisogyny are permitted when they have value or share experiences but they are handled in a much different and more serious way, and egging just isn’t handled that way. Like I said most people don’t recognize it in their hearts as being as bad as it is.

I think this is a problem because if we don’t recognize why it’s bad, we’re more likely to decide there are situations where its okay. Even the community chosen name “Egg Prime Directive” is misleading because the Prime Directive in Star Trek is very morally flexible, and indeed one could argue should be broken to save a people from disaster or even from ignorance. That is not the case with the Egg Prime Pirective, because trying to break someone’s egg so to speak or force them to “be trans” is going to be a very traumatic experience for most people, and for people who aren’t actually trans, is straight up gaslighting and misgendering.

Side note: Meta posts are permitted here, though it’s traditional that they contain a meme or image in meme format. It also makes them easier to repost on Lemmy if someone wishes to repost it elsewhere and continue the discussion there.

Honestly I get where you’re coming from but I do not agree with you. People are way too comfortable in this day and age speculating about other people’s gender identities and sexuality, and part of that comes from the fact this behavior hasn’t been called out in the past anywhere near as much as it should. It is unfortunately thought to be still acceptable by many people. The thing is, Egging is misgendering. Is misgendering permitted in fictional situations? To an extent. Though it should be made clear it’s wrong. Egging is problematic because it historically hasn’t been thought of as wrong and the attitude around it is still way too casual.

Please try to understand that this phenomenon has not really stopped yet, people are still egging each other right now. It has been seen as more and more wrong sure, but only the absolute worst versions of it are ever called out or portrayed in any way negatively, and the idea that gender non-conformity doesn’t determine gender identity is still not widely acknowledged. It was only in 2013 that they dropped Gender Identity Disorder from the books as an actual medical diagnosis. It is way too soon for egging to be looked at casually, as something that isn’t harmful. There may be and I do hope there is a day when it won’t be such an icky topic, but that day isn’t today, and probably isn’t going to be for a very very long time. As it stands it is not widely and intuitively known in most people’s hearts that egging is bad, in the way that they know that general misgendering is bad.

I did actually write a more in-depth post about it, which I might embed in the sidebar to help people find it easier.

It’s a bit more complex but that is the basic idea, let them discover themselves on their own and respect their identity as stated by them.

I can see how it could be read that way. I just think it is important to point this out publicly so people don’t get to comfortable with that dynamic. When people get comfortable seeing that, it becomes okay to them after a while. It might not have been Mattie’s intention to showcase egging in a positive light, or portray events that happened to her directly.

On the other, yikes on that blatant violation of the prime direggtive

Yeah those aren’t great friends, also no one should try to force or coerce someone to transitioning if and when they aren’t ready.

PANEL 2: two other players.
PLAYER 2: Can you just come out already? We’re supportive.
PLAYER 3: Waiting for you to transition is taking forever.

Seriously this isn’t how people who are supportive behave, when and also whether or not someone chooses to transition is up to them and should not be coerced by others. Also like, the whole point of DnD and TTRPGs as a whole is to be someone you aren’t, making characters which are like you is called meta-roleplaying or metagaming and, at least in my opinion it diminishes the experience of the game. Playing characters that are wildly different than you is kind of the point.

OP you didn’t do anything wrong, this is a critique of the characters in the comic, not you.

Hi, presuming other people’s genders isn’t appreciated here, and violates the Egg prime directive. In addition this whole implication that someone must be trans by associating with other trans people is really gross and toxic to GNC people and allies, and is also not appreciated here.

Please read the pinned post and familiarize yourself with the Egg prime Directive before posting again. The next incident will be a perma.

It is, and that’s why we have the egg prime directive here.

You’re not being oversensitive this post very much borders on Egg Prime directive violation.

Can we please not endorse people to openly and blatantly violate the egg prime directive? Thanks.

Posts must be titled EGg_irl, in addtion posts here must be memes.

Gender stereotypes are stupid and people shouldn’t feel obligated to follow them. It’s 100% valid for people to enjoy clothing and presentation styles traditionally used by women. Wear what you want, present how you want, don’t worry about what is “normal”, “normal” is a stupid term usually only used for the purpose of ridiculing or putting down people who are more expressive than others. It’s completely okay, even a good thing actually to be eccentric and not-normal.

Yeah that was really cringe and not a good look for them. It’s too bad that they’re struggling with mental health and I hope they get better but I still really wish they wouldn’t say such awful and invalidating things about femboys and butch lesbians. Those things end up being hurtful both to GNC people as well as trans people who are GNC and invalidates their identities.

Ah so Finnster is continuing to be one of those people who thinks being or liking femininity as an AMAB person is a ““sign””. For context Finn made a Tiktok a while back saying they believed femboys wouldn’t exist because they’d all be trans, and that butch lesbians don’t exist anymore because “they’re all trans”.

I’ll never understand why they pivoted like this, they know how this crap feels, they lived through it. How can they do it to others in good conscience?

(Nothing against you OP by the way, this specifically criticizes that regressive behavior from Finnster.)

Congratulations you earned yourself a permaban, bigoted language isn’t tolerated here under any circumstances.