Lirton

Old one. But good one.

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I am starting to think that people here don’t understand that I am asking them to do. Yes, I absolutely don’t trust FSB. I don’t trust Russia and anyone who supports it, unless they show valid proofs of their righteousness. And Western media simply informed about this event as they inform about any other. They haven’t claimed that it was real or staged, they simply addressed the source which shared this info with them. If there is no other source of raw info available, then OK. I will then believe that this is false info. You can believe that it is real info. We can’t forbid each other from doing so, since these are our rights.

P. S. Don’t change the theme of topic. I am currently interested only in this event, not others connected.

Okay, let’s omit the questions about how you have interpreted my comments. My question is that, where are other sides you are talking about? Provide me other sources of info, so so that I can compare. For some reason, no one can do it here, except for replying with criticism and even gaslighting intents. I want to see other sources of raw unedited material, not some speculations of other news agencies about if it is truth or not. I personally wasn’t able to find any source that has info not from governmental agencies of Russia. I am simply asking about raw facts and proofs not from them.

Absolutely any source of info, that is not affected by government of country involved in conflict. It can be a 3d party recorder(from another country), who accidentally recorded this event, or even a random citizen of country in which it happened. Even an unredacted video from a street camera or video registrator from a car parked near would be acceptable. I understand that sometimes there exist only 1 source of any info available, but it doesn’t mean that this source will be by default trustworthy. If there no other sources available, then simply state so. You can’t believe absolutely everything in social and information networks nowadays without confirmation.

Any source of info, that is not affected by the conflicting side, is trustworthy. This means, that any 3d party reporter that got there and recorded everything by himself, will be much more trustworthy than any governmental organization, since any such organization will work in interests of government. What this means, is that it can also spread misinformation if it benefitial for the country. This may happen in a ANY country. Thus, unless you can provide unredacted raw proofs of this fact, at least, from let’s say even from a RANDOM citizen of the country, where it happened, who accidentally recorded it on phone, I have no obligation to believe in this fact or believe you. Fair?

P. S. We have a normal discussion here. If you can’t or don’t want to find liable source, you may simply state this and stop this dialog. I don’t force you spend your time on doing what you don’t like.

Do you understand that each of these links contains info provided by FSB? This means, that provided by you sources got their info from other non-reliable source. Provide sources of info that are absolutely non-affected by any country involved in conflict(this means no Russia and its allies). For fairness of justice, sources of info influenced by Ukraine also won’t be counted as reliable in this case.

New meme.

Provide a trustworthy source if you want people to believe you. For a source to be trustworthy it shouldn’t be influenced by any of both conflicting countries. This should be a well known fact, by the way.

It is pointless to argue here with them about it. Save your time and nerves.

Someone’s got an emergency system shutdown after thinking too much for too long.

World is going down by the spiral of being morally acceptable and adequate. Of course it is very depressing to live in such reality.

I wonder why only Polish. I think that there are much more countries, which they can “rightfully” accuse of this and make a specialized museum. But, I guess that spending money on useless war is more important for them anyway.

It doesn’t work this way.

Looks more like MS Paint to me, but can be wrong.

Being polite even to your enemies is important.

This guy on image is literally staring inside your soul.