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  • Exactly. Valve created SteamOS, so it’s weird that they’re having so much trouble porting it to other hardware while other, volunteer-led communities are having no such problems.

    Here’s the thing. You haven’t provided anything (except time) to show that Valve are struggling with porting Steam OS to other hardware. You keep saying that they are (even when it has been explained that Steam OS is part and parcel of their physical hardware, and therefore a product that is currently being paid for), but you have nothing to show for it except that it wasn’t their main focus over time.

    That doesn’t prove it’s not a priority of theirs. It just proves it’s not the very first priority on their list.

    If you thought I was suggesting that we should give Valve more grace than the developers of Bazzite, I think perhaps you focused on the wrong part of what I was trying to explain.

    When you consider just how many people (reviewers especially) have been heavily critical of how difficult Steam Os was for them to run on other hardware (this was after steam announced that it would be available on other handhelds, mind you), you can perhaps understand that steam didn’t start out trying to make their OS compatible with every hardware under the sun. Instead they started out making it work on one device (a device they were selling), and have now switched focus (since that device is successful) to making it run on other hardware.

    But Bazzite started out making their software run on a couple of devices and then continued to add devices to that stable until it got where it is today because it already had a template in Steam OS, and because it had that particular focus from the start.

    Even now, if you go to the Bazzite home page you’re met with a statement about who bazzite is for and that statement is still relatively limited in its scope. The number of devices that they provide guides for are growing all the time, but that was the point of Bazzite, wasn’t it?

    And, for what it’s worth, Bazzite has the added benefit of the internet at large helping them. Valve is a company and their R&D isn’t handled by crowd source.

    These two entities are working from separate and very different road maps.




  • Is it weird that a group of volunteers who aren’t charging for the privilege can and do implement a software skew across multiple different hardware, vs a company (who are charging for the privilege) to focus on one piece of hardware to get that working as good as they can for paying customers before moving on to allow their software on other hardware?

    Because as you said yourself that’s the difference. Even if that’s not what you meant, that’s literally the difference here. When you are using the software volunteers made you are more willing to give them grace. When you are paying for a product, you are less likely to give a company grace (even if that company is one you like). Because when you pay for a product you expect it to be polished, usable, and generally with little to no flaws.

    I’m sure you can and will argue that steam isn’t selling the OS. But the thing is, to a certain extent that’s exactly what they’re doing.

    So in response to your question “what does your point have to do with steam OS vs bazzite”, I’ll ask you what this means:“how is it strange that they’re working so hard on this when bazzite/similar will run on anything”.

    Because from my view of things there wouldn’t really be a bazzite without steam OS. Steam OS walked so Bazzite could run.

    If your argument is that steam OS has flaws and bazzite doesn’t, then I think that’s probably not how I took it. Even if your argument is that both have flaws, that’s not how I took your initial comment.

    On the steam deck, the hardware where steam OS launched initially, and where it has lived for the better part of almost 4 years, it’s a pretty polished thing. Steam OS focused first and foremost on making sure that it ran on that hardware because they are a business selling a physical piece of hardware coupled with an OS to provide an experience that people pay for.

    When it officially started expanding to other handhelds, it obviously had some teething problems but all in all it’s still improving.

    So if you think it’s not a priority, then I guess, but, at the end of the day what you mean is that it’s not their main priority and that’s not “weird”.




  • In steam on windows the devices onboard controller actually works as intended. I dual boot so I’ve tested this extensively.

    Your experience of “almost never” and my experience of “happens sometimes” create a null, my friend. This is what is called anecdotal evidence.

    None of that anecdotal evidence (yours or mine) actually undermines the main point which is that bazzite started out telling users to install their skew of fedora at their own risk on hardware they didn’t directly provide a guide for. And that’s part of the fun of Linux for some people.

    But there are a lot of people who don’t do PC gaming full stop specifically because they don’t want to fiddle with anything, they just want to play a game, and steam is courting those people. That’s my point. They don’t want to give those people a bad experience, and they are spending time attempting to make their experience as clean and positive as possible.


  • I wouldn’t consider this strange. Bazzite definite has some downsides that involve tinkering to get things working on some hardware.

    Valve is trying to deliver both a hardware product that just works, and a software product that just works without that tinkering. They’re trying to bring Linux to your mom who wants to play terraria and you uncle who plays overwatch with his kids. They want them to have an experience that’s console like in how easy/intuitive it is to use, without anything that’s finicky or confusing.

    Every time I do an update on bazzite it breaks deckyloader for me and I have to go in and fix it. I’ve had to change controller type on bazzite to get certain games to work.

    I have back buttons on my device that still don’t map reliably in bazzite. This is not the experience valve want their customers to have.

    They’re shooting for a seamless experience.


  • People in the field would love to bust Google for this so it’s a safe bet that they are actively looking for Google to log or transmit what you type in the keyboard in every app. The fact that the news hasn’t broken that Google is logging this info is important. It means in the realm of possibility it’s not impossible but it is unlikely.

    Still it’s safer to assume all of your communications on stock android are being tracked or spied on.

    The same way you assume a weapon is loaded. Better safe than sorry.




  • The short answer is that the wrong people are seeing decreased birth rates.

    Religious and poor? To them that equals easily led under-educated, and easily controlled. They need this subset of the population in order to continue to extract wealth.

    Wealth from the private prison system, wealth from the military industrial complex, wealth from the predominantly labor supported industries that prop up energy, housing, transportation, and other blue collar jobs. To them, more poor babies means more essentially slave or low wage labor.

    The only value poor people have to the rich elite is to do the labor, make the money (so that the wealthy can take the lions share), and spend what little money they have left so that the wealthy can take most of what’s left by selling baubles.





  • Most of mine are things like setting a default for things like wifi or Bluetooth devices.

    I want my phone to connect to my home wifi and know it’s the home wifi? I want it to prefer that wifi to other networks.

    I want my Bluetooth headset to stay connected to the device I’m currently using rather than changing to a separate device when that device is powered on.

    I’m sure there are others but I think these may not be solvable without changing the way these devices handle connections in their firmware.



  • I’m going to say that while that’s probably true there’s something it leaves out.

    For every life it saves it may just be postponing or causing the loss of other lives. This is because it’s not a healthcare professional and it will absolutely help to mask a lot of poor mental health symptoms which just kicks the can down the road.

    It does not really help to save someone from getting hit by a bus today if they try to get hit by the bus again tomorrow and the day after and so on.

    Do I think it may have a net positive effect in the short term? Yes. Do I believe that that positive effect stays a complete net positive in the long term? No.