It depends. We have two Hondas that are single digit years old and they both have physical buttons/dials for air conditioning and music in addition to the touchscreen. Both have options to turn off the annoying stuff and the touchscreens are a reasonable size so they aren’t obnoxious.
In laws had a Subaru and it was awful, everything was in the touch screen and it nagged constantly. Now they have a Cadillac and it is a chore to use as well, including forcing the seat belt just to put it in gear to pull forward a couple feet. Both had extremely distracting touchscreens that made driving them painful.
But those Hondas are still probably 4g capable, right? Because, at that point, it doesn’t matter if you turn the annoying stuff “off”. Honda is still spying on you, tracking you, and compiling a mountain of data based on your driving habits.
Not on 4g as far as I can tell. Have to be on wifi to do the map and other updates. It might collect and report data, not sure. I figure my cell phone is collecting far more data than the vehicle.
Just pointing out that not all post 2015 cars are nightmares.
Car telemetry might be a separate thing than the onboard maps.
When my parents bought their new Toyota in 2020/2021? (can’t remember when), and my parents brought me to the dealership to translate because they don’t speak english. And after the sale was done, the sales person was asking to download the app thing to track the car, and my mind was like: wtf, they could just track the car?!?
There was no special installation and its not a feature ever paid for. Its a “free” tracking thing, already built in the car.
The car didn’t even have maps in the infotainment system.
Welp, there goes my plan to use that car to transport dead bodies /s
Which is an INSANE amount of data to collect from you for the thing that you supposedly own. You shouldn’t be so flippant about corporations using and selling your data and treating you like a commodity.
Ok, I’ll get right on not owning anything made after 2010. Or maybe I’ll pick and choose what I can stand since my bank account doesn’t let me buy the government which is how it works in the US.
Your snark is unnecessary. You CAN take measures to protect yourself and your loved ones from bad actors, and most of the solutions are free and open and dead simple.
As for not buying anything made after 2010? It’s actually really easy. All you have to do is be poor. I’ve never bought a new car and I don’t know anybody who has, and their lives are not any worse for it.
Maybe you have a “keeping up with the Jones” problem?
I can’t imagine owning a car newer than like 2012. It must be a nightmare
It depends. We have two Hondas that are single digit years old and they both have physical buttons/dials for air conditioning and music in addition to the touchscreen. Both have options to turn off the annoying stuff and the touchscreens are a reasonable size so they aren’t obnoxious.
In laws had a Subaru and it was awful, everything was in the touch screen and it nagged constantly. Now they have a Cadillac and it is a chore to use as well, including forcing the seat belt just to put it in gear to pull forward a couple feet. Both had extremely distracting touchscreens that made driving them painful.
But those Hondas are still probably 4g capable, right? Because, at that point, it doesn’t matter if you turn the annoying stuff “off”. Honda is still spying on you, tracking you, and compiling a mountain of data based on your driving habits.
Not on 4g as far as I can tell. Have to be on wifi to do the map and other updates. It might collect and report data, not sure. I figure my cell phone is collecting far more data than the vehicle.
Just pointing out that not all post 2015 cars are nightmares.
Car telemetry might be a separate thing than the onboard maps.
When my parents bought their new Toyota in 2020/2021? (can’t remember when), and my parents brought me to the dealership to translate because they don’t speak english. And after the sale was done, the sales person was asking to download the app thing to track the car, and my mind was like: wtf, they could just track the car?!?
There was no special installation and its not a feature ever paid for. Its a “free” tracking thing, already built in the car.
The car didn’t even have maps in the infotainment system.
Welp, there goes my plan to use that car to transport dead bodies /s
Yeah, telemetry is any information transmitted remotely which could be things like top speed ever, mileage, or even 02 sensor readings.
Which is an INSANE amount of data to collect from you for the thing that you supposedly own. You shouldn’t be so flippant about corporations using and selling your data and treating you like a commodity.
Ok, I’ll get right on not owning anything made after 2010. Or maybe I’ll pick and choose what I can stand since my bank account doesn’t let me buy the government which is how it works in the US.
Your snark is unnecessary. You CAN take measures to protect yourself and your loved ones from bad actors, and most of the solutions are free and open and dead simple.
As for not buying anything made after 2010? It’s actually really easy. All you have to do is be poor. I’ve never bought a new car and I don’t know anybody who has, and their lives are not any worse for it.
Maybe you have a “keeping up with the Jones” problem?