I found this thought funny. A few years ago everyone was all learn to code so you don’t lose your job! Now there wont be any programming jobs in 10 years. But we will need a lot of manual labor still.

  • Isoprenoid@programming.devEnglish
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    2 days ago

    The sad reality is that code is just a form of language, and LLMs are good at learning languages.

    This is debatable. LLMs are prediction machines.

    What use is prediction when you are trying to code something new?

    • Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      141·
      2 days ago

      The vast majority of coding isn’t making something new, it’s using existing patterns and tools and arranging them to fit a specific use case.

      Llms may not be able to create a new framework or design pattern, but neither will most coders in there day to day.

      • Isoprenoid@programming.devEnglish
        91·
        2 days ago

        The vast majority of coding isn’t making something new, it’s using existing patterns and tools and arranging them to fit a specific use case.

        I would argue that arranging something to fit a specific use case is making something new.

        Ask any designer how difficult it is to get a spec sheet from a client and meet their expectations. We’re expecting LLMs to suddenly solve this problem.

        Llms may not be able to create a new framework or design pattern

        Until they can do this, there is little threat to designers. There will be less grunt work, of course.

      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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        2 days ago

        Tbh this whole thing made me realize what we really need is a modular automated code bank. There’s so much duplication of effort it’s honestly absurd.

        Right we’ve got this scattershot network of libraries but no one’s really been up to the task of taking the next logical steps.

        • towerful@programming.dev
          51·
          2 days ago

          Open source, libraries, frameworks and language development is how this is tackled.

          Making software is implementing business logic. It’s the specific nature of whatever problem you are solving which means you can’t use some existing off-the-shelf product.

          There are dozens (if not hundreds) of no-code/low-code app builders out there. Things like n8n or ndoe-red.
          They get very difficult to maintain at scale.

    • Yermaw@lemm.ee
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      2 days ago

      Right now they are. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.

      Compared to just 20 years ago we’re living in the future. You may not have noticed the progress because you’d expect the future to includes hoverboards.

      • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip
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        2 days ago

        Right now they are. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

        We do. Experienced programmers who have been promised we’re about to be obsolete several times, now. For many of us, this isn’t our first rodeo.

        As an expert in computers, there’s two things I can guarantee about the future of computers:

        1. Computers will just keep getting smarter.
        2. After decades of getting smarter, computers remain deeply stupid in ways that non-experts cannot imagine. However dumb you think your computer might be, I promise it’s somehow significantly dumber than that.