How is that better? How do you determine what “looks“ healthy? That seems to me like a recipe for falling right back into the trappings of socially/culturally enforced body types.
It’s not that you have to clarify it, it’s that I don’t think you fully realize what you are saying. People say “I like people who are healthy,“ not even realizing that we all have different concepts of what that even means, generally informed by marketing which is part of the reason we have so many issues with people and body image today. It’s all clearly connected.
“Look healthy,” “are healthy,” it’s all the same problem. You’re acting like this is some clearly defined metric when a lot of the reason for even having this debate is because it isn’t.
People speculate that this is one of the reasons why those most opposed to weight loss medications like Ozempic are, in fact, fit people. In a world where most people around you are obese or unhealthy, being fit becomes a way to signal discipline, long-term planning, a healthy lifestyle, competence, and so on. But now that you can get lean without putting in the effort, it dilutes that signal.
being fit becomes a way to signal discipline, long-term planning, a healthy lifestyle, competence, and so on.
Yeah but I think it’ll just be a more explicit marker of wealth instead, sort of how so much of fashion boils down to “how much are you willing to spend?”
Really? I’ve never heard that sentiment from any of my other fit friends and I certainly don’t feel that way. I would love it if everyone was just hot.
Considering how much of human effort is just signaling in different forms, this makes a lot of sense. Losing a visual marker of your hard work messes with your established signaling. This makes me wonder what the new signal will be? Fitness clothing has already been taken… Maybe people will wear their gym memberships on a lanyard all the time or something?
Well, Ozempic will make you lean, but it won’t make you fit or muscular - so there’s still that. In that sense, it might be more accurate to say that the people opposing it are likely those who’ve gotten lean through dieting and occasional exercise, rather than bodybuilders.
I’d even go so far as to say obesity is unattractive, because it’s unhealthy.
Healthy is of course beautiful.
Pretty undefined moving target unless you carry around your medical records and a rubric for what everything should be.
There’s an implied “[what looks] healthy is beautiful”…
We… obviously can’t peer into people’s cells while we’re walking around town and people browsing… I didn’t think I had to clarify this. 😄
How is that better? How do you determine what “looks“ healthy? That seems to me like a recipe for falling right back into the trappings of socially/culturally enforced body types.
It’s not that you have to clarify it, it’s that I don’t think you fully realize what you are saying. People say “I like people who are healthy,“ not even realizing that we all have different concepts of what that even means, generally informed by marketing which is part of the reason we have so many issues with people and body image today. It’s all clearly connected.
“Look healthy,” “are healthy,” it’s all the same problem. You’re acting like this is some clearly defined metric when a lot of the reason for even having this debate is because it isn’t.
People speculate that this is one of the reasons why those most opposed to weight loss medications like Ozempic are, in fact, fit people. In a world where most people around you are obese or unhealthy, being fit becomes a way to signal discipline, long-term planning, a healthy lifestyle, competence, and so on. But now that you can get lean without putting in the effort, it dilutes that signal.
Yeah but I think it’ll just be a more explicit marker of wealth instead, sort of how so much of fashion boils down to “how much are you willing to spend?”
Really? I’ve never heard that sentiment from any of my other fit friends and I certainly don’t feel that way. I would love it if everyone was just hot.
I’ve never heard that about Ozempic or had those thoughts about weight loss medications.
The only thing I’ve ever thought about weight loss medication is “that’s probably snake oil” or “that doesn’t sound healthy for the body”.
Considering how much of human effort is just signaling in different forms, this makes a lot of sense. Losing a visual marker of your hard work messes with your established signaling. This makes me wonder what the new signal will be? Fitness clothing has already been taken… Maybe people will wear their gym memberships on a lanyard all the time or something?
Well, Ozempic will make you lean, but it won’t make you fit or muscular - so there’s still that. In that sense, it might be more accurate to say that the people opposing it are likely those who’ve gotten lean through dieting and occasional exercise, rather than bodybuilders.
That’s a good point, I was lumping too many people together there. Yes, now how will people show they “suffered” with dieting?