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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

Liberals: "As long as it's a western country...."

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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago
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    Still not a genocide. There is no war where women, children, and other civilians don’t end up getting killed.

    Noam Chomsky: Russia is fighting more humanely than the US did in Iraq

    Also, a lot of people seem to think that this started in Feb. of 2022 when it really started eight years before.

    • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
    • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
    • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
    • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
    • Washington Post, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
    • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
    • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
    • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
    • Kyiv Post, 2019: United Nations: 13,000 killed, 30,000 injured in Donbas since 2014
    • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
    • New York Times, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
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      Wasn’t 2014 the year Crimea was invaded?

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        It was the year that Ukraine was couped; the year that Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk voted by referendum to secede from Ukraine; and the year that Crimea voted by referendum to join Russia.

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          That’s the referendum with 89% voter turnout where 97% voted to leave Ukraine?

          Those are almost unbelievable numbers.

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            Your unwillingness to believe them is not proof of anything

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            Do you find it hard to believe that a majority Russian & Russian-speaking people, with family and business ties in Russia, whose president they voted for had been couped, might prefer joining Russia over the far-right wing anti-Russian coup government of Ukraine?

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              Getting 89% of people to do anything with 97% of those agreeing is impressive.

              Even with the least controversial opinions there will be 20-25% who typically disagree.

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                Being targeted by nazis tends to unify populations who do indeed have varied opinions on everything else. This isn’t asking people what kind of beverage they prefer, it’s about sovereignty and protection from fascist paramilitaries, and, post-coup, fascist state forces.

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                Go look at numbers for anywhere outside of the North Atlantic Euro-American imperial core and you’ll find that overwhelming majorities are commonplace.

                For example, Harvard conducted a 15-year study of Chinese citizens living in China and found that 95.5% of them supported their national government and believed it was working in their best interests.

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