• MudMan@fedia.io
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    17 hours ago

    No it is not.

    Voting with your wallet does nothing. It’s a neoliberal fiction capitalism uses to pretend regulation is unnecessary.

    Voting with your wallet is dependent on everybody else with a wallet even knowing that there’s something to vote about. Most people don’t.

    And voting with your wallet means you have a tiny wallet in a world with a TON of tiny wallets and a few very big, huge-ass humongous wallets, so your wallet vote doesn’t count for crap compared with your one-vote-per-person vote, if you have access to one of those.

    So no, voting with your wallet is barely useful at best, just the normal flow of the market ideally, entirely pointless at worst.

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      6 hours ago

      Sure, regulations would do it much better, but the best I can do is exactly that. Not consume the shit. Not my fault the vast majority are just unreflected consumers.

      So your suggestion is that I should buy one too (Assuming i needed one) because my “vote” doesn’t matter anyway?

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        5 hours ago

        No, my suggestion is your buying or not buying stuff isn’t a political action. Your political action is political action.

        If you want to make sure it is not an option for hardware manufacturers to arbitrarily brick hardware you own for monetization or licensing issues what you need is a law that makes it illegal.

        How you get that law is very dependent on where you live and what your political system is, so hey, I’m sorry if you need some sort of regime change before this becomes an option. But the “voting with your wallet” thing doesn’t stop being a capitalist fiction just because you landed in a system where consumer protections have been written out of the lawbooks.

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          2 hours ago

          Oh I’m not a murican and already am protected as much as one could. Doesn’t change the point though.

          Yet voting with my wallet is my local political action. Nothing else I could do besides actually getting involved with politics. Not my fault the majority doesn’t understand how they get screwed. If roughly 10-20% would actually not buy it, assuming they would have if it weren’t shite, it would matter a lot. 5-10% would already be noticeable.

          So, according to your point, you could also just buy another one, doesn’t matter anyway. And any other critical customer, who wanted to skip it, could too. As long as we’re below the noticeable 5%-treshhold. “It’s not my fault I have to buy this switch, it’s the government’s lack of regulation!”

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            2 hours ago

            No, hold on, you get past the “other than get involved with politics” part very quickly there.

            You can ABSOLUTELY get involved with politics. Go get involved with politics. Why are you not?

            You can just vote, which is way more impactful than making purchasing decisions based on performatively affecting political involvement. That’s getting involved with politics. If that doesn’t do it then the next recourse isn’t to spend money for posturing, it’s to decide if you care enough about the issue to be activist about it or to break into the system in some capacity where you can implement change.

            That’s what you can do.

            What you can’t do is change how consumer protections work by spending money. That’s not a thing. Nintendo has literal billions to spend marketing their products and the vast majority of people who will buy them as a result would not care much about the edge case you care about, would never encounter it and don’t care enough about computing hardware to have an opinion in the first place You wanna change that? Go do politics.

            This is why voting with your wallet pisses me off as a concept. It lets people say “but what else could I do besides getting into politics” and pretend they’ve done something by buying some shit over some other shit.

            Nah, man, that’s not how that works. You can do something or do nothing. Doing nothing is fine. You don’t need to crusade for every single minor annoyance the legal system allows to enter the fringes of your life. You have no obligation to take on Apple or Nintendo or Google on any one specific crappy thing they decide to do.

            But just to be clear, “voting with your wallet” is doing nothing. That’s the choice you’re making.

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              I don’t get political because i don’t care enough. Already got enough hobbies to fill the day and no offspring to make this world a better place for.

              And your point isn’t just exactly correct. Examples where wallet-voting indeed changed things that just come to mind:

              • Netflix acc-sharing witchhunt. Salesdrop lead to back ruddering.

              • #deleteuber-movement lead to 200k uninstalls and hence forced über to adapt

              • Nestlé’s hideous water-scandal lead to effectively make them ditch the whole project

              • EA and its battlefront 2’s microtransactions. Massive Säle drop made them change it.

              • Bud light boycot seriously affected bud.

              Probably more like those. Might not be a universally a viable tactic to vote with your wallet (and maybe even voice that) but often certainly is or was.