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So I am wondering what effect does recognizing it as a state have? To me it sounds like the whole “thoughts and prayers” thing but admittedly I have no idea what it actually means.
Could some smarty pants bring me up to speed?
Disclaimer: am not smart
Well, apart from a meaningless political song and dance, my theory is that it’s more of an announcement that they’re willing to oppose Israel by recognising Palestine, something the Netanyahu’s administration do not want. Partially because Israel has spent the last 77 years of its existence telling its people that what we see as Palestine is, in fact, all Israel, and always has been.
The countries are too fucking weak to stop the cruelty or say no to Israel, and this is the best they can do. It’s essentially the governments saying they’ll step up, and looking around to see if the other classmates look like they’re also going to, so they won’t be alone. As if Israel is a Goliath.
You sound like you are smarter than me, so take that as you will. Thanks for the reply.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_recognition
Basically, countries only “exist” if other countries recognize them. It’s a foundation of basic politics.
Hence this is more significant than it seems.
And trump wants to stop trade negotiations with Canada over this because if you don’t double thumbs up a genocide, Trump won’t talk to you
But make sure not to vote for Genocide Joe!
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That came with a lot of asterisks from Carney. It’s conditional. Remember that he is a Conservative wearing a Liberal hat.
"This intention is predicated on the Palestinian Authority’s commitment to much-needed reforms, including the commitments by Palestinian Authority President Abbas to fundamentally reform its governance, to hold general elections in 2026 in which Hamas can play no part, and to demilitarize the Palestinian state. Canada will increase its efforts in supporting strong, democratic governance in Palestine and the contributions of its people to a more peaceful and hopeful future.
We reiterate that Hamas must immediately release all hostages taken in the horrific terrorist attack of October 7; that Hamas must disarm; and that Hamas must play no role in the future governance of Palestine. Canada will always steadfastly support Israel’s existence as an independent state in the Middle East living in peace and security. Any path to lasting peace for Israel also requires a viable and stable Palestinian state, and one that recognizes Israel’s inalienable right to security and peace."
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Hamas disarming would spell the end for any sort of Palestinian state; the West Bank is already falling. This means nothing.
There is nothing uplifting about it.
This is just a delaying technique to avoid sanctioning Israel due to public pressure, meant to let Israel finish executing their “Final Solution for Gaza”, by which point they will pivot to saying “it’s too late now”.
If you read the article you’ll see this “initiative” was launched by the UK PM, the very guy who has been getting people arrested for planning to demonstrated against the Genocide, so one should be incredibly suspicious (and, being familiar with British politics, the whole thing reeks of their usual “delay meaningful action by offering vague promises of future meaningless action”).
Also all 3 countries still send weapons to Israel, Canada doing in the most hypocritical of ways by having a weapons export regime that says “no” riddled with backdoors so it ends up as “yes” - yet another very common tactic in British politics which one could describe as “the contents is not what it says on the box”.
This way of delaying the meaningful action being pushed by public opinion is a very common technique in British politics, and during his years there heading the Bank Of England (a very political position) Mr. Carney is sure to have learned it.
Uplifting news will when there are actual sanctions against Israel in place.
this is kinda just orphan crushing machine, why the fuck do they PLAN to recognize palestine? yeah great let’s start vaguely considering it after the population has been bombed to shit and starved to death for half a fucking decade, they’re so kind
