• npdean@lemmy.today
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    10 hours ago

    Only the gullible are proud of their country. The real patriots are critical of the mistakes of the country.

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      7 hours ago

      One can be proud despite its shortcomings. Nothing is perfect in this world. But there are things worth being proud of, despite understanding its flaws and being consistently critical of it as a whole.

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        7 hours ago

        I agree with you on this but with some nuance. This thinking is correct and should be used on individual level. However, time has shown us that most humans are stupid and will resort to herd mentality. So, the pride quickly turns into nationalism.

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        What does it even mean in this context? Pride? You didn’t do it, you were just born there and it was already done. I feel people mistake “pleased” or “happy” with “proud”.

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          Believe it or not, I’ve been a part of it since I was born. I didn’t just come to be in a vacuum. I’ve influenced the society as much as anyone, we work together to make it better, we are a team, we protest. We sign petitions. We vote. We talk and talk and talk and have kids that will, too, become a part of what we’ve worked hard for and against and with.

          Being proud of the team, of yourself, or the fact that you with your team are actively succeeding in not becoming a fascist shithole like the US or Russia for example. It’s not nothing. It’s worth being proud of. And takes effort, work, input every single day of every single month of every single year.

          Yeah. I’m proud of myself and everyone around me. But I’m also proud of what we’ve worked together to build. This country did not stay this way by itself. It’d be ruined by capitalism and fascism the second we, the people of this country, stopped fighting against it and making this nation something to feel proud belonging to.

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            Hey, fair enough, that seems pretty reasonable. If it’s an extension of the pride you feel in being a decent human being who makes his environment better for everyone and it doesn’t veer into jingoistic exceptionalism, I understand and condone it. 👍