Don’t be violent against people you disagree with politically. That’s not going to help anything, that’s only going to validate what they’ve been saying all this time
Yeah! That’s how we won WW2!! We told Hitler “hey you can’t do that” and he was like “oh shit my bad i surrender!!” Lmao a fascist will never give up power willingly.
The hell you mean he argued for their free speech rights? He wanted LGBTQ+ people dead! Can’t have any speech when you’re in the grave as he’s currently finding out.
if you’re taking about charlie kirk with that “civil conversation” bit, those conversations were using misleading half truths to publicly debate people he disagrees with in order to convert the people around said debate to his cause. i wouldn’t call that civil… civil is healthy, truthful debate on the merits: not winning at all costs
People I like aren’t billionaires and billionaires aren’t people. They’re what’s wrong with humanity at this point in time. If there’s a better way of getting rid of them, I’m all for it. But I’m not seeing any billionaires put to jail…
Yeah, we all know the nazis only became fascists the day they killed their first victims. All those nazi propagandists and theorists were actually blameless because they didn’t personally assault anyone publicly, which is famously the only form of violence.
Historically, all of them, depending on who you might be. Everyone who was close to Pol Pot said he was a really nice guy who was great at listening and understanding, turns out that didn’t stop him from committing to a genocide.
So when people you disagree with politically, are kidnapping your loved ones, beating you up, killing people like you around you, you should… say: “I don’t like that…” or…
If violence is used against you, you have a right to defend you with violence.
I’m sorry to say, but violent people don’t care about you yelling “boo”… They just turn their attention against you, and use violence to silence you.
It’s very impressive, that the violent people has brainwashed you to such a degree, that you let them be violent, and are willing to protect them from violence in response.
“Disagree with politically” is a wide brush: they are nazis and fascists.
Killing one of them causes a crackdown on political opponents, killing them all doesn’t.
Paradox of tolerance and all that stuff.
Disagree with politically: should we build nuclear, do we pedestrianise the highstreet, how much funding should we give to public artwork
Fascist: oppressing or refusing the right to exist of groups of people, typically minorities. Often heard calling them rats or cockroaches which some of them have been doing this week.
Kirk believed LGBTQ+ deserved to be stoned to death, that women should be subservient breeding cattle, blacks had insufficient brain power to be leaders in our society and that the civil rights act was a mistake, children being murdered was worthwhile so that God could grant people rights, empathy was made up woke bullshit.
Are those the “politics” you’re referring to? If those are your “politics” you might want to buy a neckguard.
These are all referring to direct quotes he made over his long career of pushing fascist idealogy, it is not some secret how big of a piece of shit he was or what he was about, as much as MAGA is putting in work it make it seem so. Turning Point was a group that sought to make a modern day Hitler youth by targeting vulnerable and malleable minds by pushing this vitriol at school events.
If you’re not just some fascist troll, which I highly doubt because the phrasing you used is identical to phrasing I’ve seen on multiple sites from people/bots trying to whitewash this nazi fuck, you should have no issue verifying the veracity of my statement.
He just lived in the society he advocated for. He literally believed a shooting now and then was worth the right for everyone to have guns.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won’t have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It’s drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
Those are his own words from 2023.
Just because it happened to him doesn’t mean it wasn’t what he wanted. For all we know, he died blissfully knowing he received a God-given bullet.
Plenty liberal activists and innocent people have been killed by the work of right wing trolls; right wing politicians; lunatics; and the biggest organized crime syndicate to ever grace this planet of earth, known colloquially as “the cops.”
Might be time for a shake up of who’s violencing who, no?
I significantly doubt killing Charlie Kirk of all people is going to effect change. At least, it’s not going to be positive change.
The right is emboldened greatly by every situation like this. Yes, they’ve just been looking for an excuse and would be horrible anyway, but this accelerates things by giving them more definitive cover.
They’re already making shit up about evidence of “trans and leftist stuff” carved into the bullets or casings (tabloids and the WSJ have run with this) when there’s no actual proof.
Turning Point USA will stumble for a bit while they find a new talking head capable of carrying their bullshit platform, but there’s a glut of right wing influencers (and people willing to play one for money) that will fill the gap.
Also, he was shot in front of his kids. They’re already fucked up enough having him as a dad without seeing him catch a bullet in front of them and die.
Look, I’ve got no tears to shed for this balloon headed ass. But this is not a victory. Even if you support the idea of using violence to achieve change, this was a piss poor target.
Ben Shapiro cancelled an event he was going to do today. It seems to me like the moment these fascist fucks feel like they could be in danger for the hateful shit they spew they cower in fear. They are keyboard warriors that don’t realize that people can do a lot more than say hurtful things when you do that in public.
He cancelled one event? Holy shit the world is healed!
You aren’t wrong that these people are cowards.
But Luigi didn’t change health insurance. It pushed one bad move from a former United Healthcare exec back but didn’t stop it, and now there’s proposed kickbacks for AI companies whenever their AI denies medicare or medicaid coverage.
There is so damn much broken and I understand the sheer desperation, but lone vigilantes carrying out sporadic and infrequent assassinations with poor target choices are not going to cause long term positive change.
Arguably if the speed was increased it might get results, but I think it’d just be more likely that they’d burn some of their stupid amounts of money on more security and stuff like popemobile booths.
At the end of the day the US populace can’t provide meaningful resistance to the full might of our military industrial complex, if things were to ever get that far. And I don’t think that our currenr administration would have any issues misusing our military for protection of these assholes.
So we have to organize. If we truly want to overwhelm the military, we’d need to overwhelm them with literal piles of bodies.
If we want to attempt less bloodshed and lives lost, which I would hope most people would want, than we still need to organize and put up a strong front while turning their “allies on the ground” to our side. That means that yes, we need to start doing more concentrated effort to turn our asshole republican neighbors instead of just shunning them. Start sharing techniques and talking points for slowly turning folks, build up your tolerance so you can spend time in their presence slowly dropping the seeds because changing people’s minds takes time.
On the other end, start pulling normal people currently just voting Democrat into more action like showing up to city council votes, into community service and support organizations, and make sure that we’re broadcasting these public goods well and with good branding. Increase engagement across the board.
Do like the “best” Christian groups do and just do unimpeachable good loudly while quietly wearing the affiliation on your sleeve to draw people in, then turn them when they already see you as a good person doing good things.
None of these techniques are new, especially in the Christian church. We just need to fight the feelings of hopelessness, isolation, and the “well your idea of better isn’t my exact idea of better” purity test bullshit you see from people online who for example won’t be satisfied until the end of capitalism entirely… so that we present a united front as a force for general good.
You think the issues with your health insurance is Obamacare? Whatever brother we’re here to help. Eventually down the line we’ll start steering you right once we’ve built that relationship. You’re homeschooling your kids to avoid the woke, but need assistance in a subject you can’t teach them? We’re here to help. Eventually we’ll start steering you right.
It’s exhausting, time consuming work. But it does work for changing hearts and minds.
Surely you understand that through violence the most violent people will rise to power Thats what happened in russia that became the ussr, china that became the ccp…
Objectively untrue for china from every perspective and is only briefly kinda true for russia; as serfs were freed but after Stalins takeover as the lands were took back and people were legally required to work
And the 1776 revolution would be not comparable in any way for the violence OP called for as the upper class led that revolution!
So you think that revolutions are only acceptable when the rich do it? The industrialization of Russia and China were probably the largest movement of impoverished people to relative stability in human history.
No, the us revolution resulted in much much different issues many persisting to this day like the inherent undemocratic system your lot clings to! But the power was distributed to the point where not one person could grab for it. Not that some didn’t want to have George Washington as a king…
Do you guys just make semi random statements? Industrialization did not raise Russian living standard at all! In the short term it decreased it and in the long term, compared to say Taiwan, progressed incomparably worse
It must be so easy being an anti communist, you can just make up whatever completely baseless claims you like and apparently expect people to believe them
According to meriam webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objectively) objectively is defined as: “in an objective rather than subjective or biased way : with a basis in observable facts rather than feelings or opinions”; according to which I used the word correctly!
Kinda sad that after being called out for spouting baseless nonsense you come up with a ‘no you’ with naming your group for their support and apparently randomly picking a word you don’t understand, claiming it to be used wrongly to appear smarter… Kinda sad
If people are violent against you, you have the right to defend yourself. That guy constantly advocated for violence against trans people, among many other groups.
Why a trans person have to sit and wait to be beaten up to death for some guy indoctrinated by this guy? They may chose their own life over the ones that are on a path to killing them.
You can’t vote fascists out of power. The democrats are closeted fascists. Wonder why they never do anything productive even when they have a majority? It’s because they’re owned by corporations just like the republicans are, they just pretend to care about you. They’ll never actually do anything because it would hurt their corporate masters.
Don’t be violent against people you disagree with politically. That’s not going to help anything, that’s only going to validate what they’ve been saying all this time
Yeah! That’s how we won WW2!! We told Hitler “hey you can’t do that” and he was like “oh shit my bad i surrender!!” Lmao a fascist will never give up power willingly.
what kind of a fascist is going to have civil conversations with people on college campuses around the US?
And what kind of fascist is going to advocate for the free speech rights of people he strongly disagrees with?
NO INVESTIGATION NO RIGHT TO SPEAK
One that wants to recruit more fascists and fascist sympathizers?
The hell you mean he argued for their free speech rights? He wanted LGBTQ+ people dead! Can’t have any speech when you’re in the grave as he’s currently finding out.
if you’re taking about charlie kirk with that “civil conversation” bit, those conversations were using misleading half truths to publicly debate people he disagrees with in order to convert the people around said debate to his cause. i wouldn’t call that civil… civil is healthy, truthful debate on the merits: not winning at all costs
He didn’t advocate for that, though…
Nah, I’m hoping this becomes a thing and that a couple of billionaires will be shot soon. That’d be swell.
yep, you’ll be in favor of it until it happens to someone you like. Then you’ll lose your shit
see here’s the thing, I don’t want that to happen to anyone, not even the people I hate
People I like aren’t billionaires and billionaires aren’t people. They’re what’s wrong with humanity at this point in time. If there’s a better way of getting rid of them, I’m all for it. But I’m not seeing any billionaires put to jail…
Just like we shouldn’t have hung nazis right?
what kind of a fascist is going to have civil and completely non-violent conversations with people?
Yeah, we all know the nazis only became fascists the day they killed their first victims. All those nazi propagandists and theorists were actually blameless because they didn’t personally assault anyone publicly, which is famously the only form of violence.
Historically, all of them, depending on who you might be. Everyone who was close to Pol Pot said he was a really nice guy who was great at listening and understanding, turns out that didn’t stop him from committing to a genocide.
That’s what we’re saying! The US far right are fascist.
So when people you disagree with politically, are kidnapping your loved ones, beating you up, killing people like you around you, you should… say: “I don’t like that…” or…
If violence is used against you, you have a right to defend you with violence.
I’m sorry to say, but violent people don’t care about you yelling “boo”… They just turn their attention against you, and use violence to silence you.
It’s very impressive, that the violent people has brainwashed you to such a degree, that you let them be violent, and are willing to protect them from violence in response.
“Disagree with politically” is a wide brush: they are nazis and fascists. Killing one of them causes a crackdown on political opponents, killing them all doesn’t. Paradox of tolerance and all that stuff.
Disagree with politically: should we build nuclear, do we pedestrianise the highstreet, how much funding should we give to public artwork
Fascist: oppressing or refusing the right to exist of groups of people, typically minorities. Often heard calling them rats or cockroaches which some of them have been doing this week.
I call them fascists, that’s all. Not rats, cockroaches or whatever.
Rats/cockroaches is what the fascists call us
Godwin’s law.
Nazis don’t real!! 😡
Kirk believed LGBTQ+ deserved to be stoned to death, that women should be subservient breeding cattle, blacks had insufficient brain power to be leaders in our society and that the civil rights act was a mistake, children being murdered was worthwhile so that God could grant people rights, empathy was made up woke bullshit.
Are those the “politics” you’re referring to? If those are your “politics” you might want to buy a neckguard.
Have never heard of this guy before, you got a source?
Try google, there’s no lack of documentation.
These are all referring to direct quotes he made over his long career of pushing fascist idealogy, it is not some secret how big of a piece of shit he was or what he was about, as much as MAGA is putting in work it make it seem so. Turning Point was a group that sought to make a modern day Hitler youth by targeting vulnerable and malleable minds by pushing this vitriol at school events.
If you’re not just some fascist troll, which I highly doubt because the phrasing you used is identical to phrasing I’ve seen on multiple sites from people/bots trying to whitewash this nazi fuck, you should have no issue verifying the veracity of my statement.
Bruh god forbid people live outside the US, they must be Nazis!!!
Go back to fucking reddit if you want this weak bullshit to work. “Oh wow you call everybody who defends nazis a nazi huh???”
Yes.
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Would Charlie Kirk agree with that if he was alive?
He just lived in the society he advocated for. He literally believed a shooting now and then was worth the right for everyone to have guns.
Those are his own words from 2023.
Just because it happened to him doesn’t mean it wasn’t what he wanted. For all we know, he died blissfully knowing he received a God-given bullet.
Alternatively: kill assholes who deserve to be killed.
everyone says stupid shit like that, until something like that happens to someone they agree with
Plenty liberal activists and innocent people have been killed by the work of right wing trolls; right wing politicians; lunatics; and the biggest organized crime syndicate to ever grace this planet of earth, known colloquially as “the cops.”
Might be time for a shake up of who’s violencing who, no?
Sometimes change can only happen through violence
I significantly doubt killing Charlie Kirk of all people is going to effect change. At least, it’s not going to be positive change.
The right is emboldened greatly by every situation like this. Yes, they’ve just been looking for an excuse and would be horrible anyway, but this accelerates things by giving them more definitive cover.
They’re already making shit up about evidence of “trans and leftist stuff” carved into the bullets or casings (tabloids and the WSJ have run with this) when there’s no actual proof.
Turning Point USA will stumble for a bit while they find a new talking head capable of carrying their bullshit platform, but there’s a glut of right wing influencers (and people willing to play one for money) that will fill the gap.
Also, he was shot in front of his kids. They’re already fucked up enough having him as a dad without seeing him catch a bullet in front of them and die.
Look, I’ve got no tears to shed for this balloon headed ass. But this is not a victory. Even if you support the idea of using violence to achieve change, this was a piss poor target.
Fool.
What are they going to do? Send the military into cities and brutalize people?
“Oh no! The fascists will froth if anyone retaliates!”
You might as well join them.
Ben Shapiro cancelled an event he was going to do today. It seems to me like the moment these fascist fucks feel like they could be in danger for the hateful shit they spew they cower in fear. They are keyboard warriors that don’t realize that people can do a lot more than say hurtful things when you do that in public.
He cancelled one event? Holy shit the world is healed!
You aren’t wrong that these people are cowards.
But Luigi didn’t change health insurance. It pushed one bad move from a former United Healthcare exec back but didn’t stop it, and now there’s proposed kickbacks for AI companies whenever their AI denies medicare or medicaid coverage.
There is so damn much broken and I understand the sheer desperation, but lone vigilantes carrying out sporadic and infrequent assassinations with poor target choices are not going to cause long term positive change.
When the system doesn’t work and people are desperate they take matters into their own hands. What else are you going to do?
Organize. Lone vigilantes carrying out incredibly sporadic assassinations against poor target choices isn’t going to make things better.
The Nepalese didn’t overthrow their government by a couple of folks shooting a couple of folks spread out over months.
I could hang with accereated assassinations of facist politicians and they’re cheerleaders.
Arguably if the speed was increased it might get results, but I think it’d just be more likely that they’d burn some of their stupid amounts of money on more security and stuff like popemobile booths.
At the end of the day the US populace can’t provide meaningful resistance to the full might of our military industrial complex, if things were to ever get that far. And I don’t think that our currenr administration would have any issues misusing our military for protection of these assholes.
So we have to organize. If we truly want to overwhelm the military, we’d need to overwhelm them with literal piles of bodies.
If we want to attempt less bloodshed and lives lost, which I would hope most people would want, than we still need to organize and put up a strong front while turning their “allies on the ground” to our side. That means that yes, we need to start doing more concentrated effort to turn our asshole republican neighbors instead of just shunning them. Start sharing techniques and talking points for slowly turning folks, build up your tolerance so you can spend time in their presence slowly dropping the seeds because changing people’s minds takes time.
On the other end, start pulling normal people currently just voting Democrat into more action like showing up to city council votes, into community service and support organizations, and make sure that we’re broadcasting these public goods well and with good branding. Increase engagement across the board.
Do like the “best” Christian groups do and just do unimpeachable good loudly while quietly wearing the affiliation on your sleeve to draw people in, then turn them when they already see you as a good person doing good things.
None of these techniques are new, especially in the Christian church. We just need to fight the feelings of hopelessness, isolation, and the “well your idea of better isn’t my exact idea of better” purity test bullshit you see from people online who for example won’t be satisfied until the end of capitalism entirely… so that we present a united front as a force for general good.
You think the issues with your health insurance is Obamacare? Whatever brother we’re here to help. Eventually down the line we’ll start steering you right once we’ve built that relationship. You’re homeschooling your kids to avoid the woke, but need assistance in a subject you can’t teach them? We’re here to help. Eventually we’ll start steering you right.
It’s exhausting, time consuming work. But it does work for changing hearts and minds.
Surely you understand that through violence the most violent people will rise to power Thats what happened in russia that became the ussr, china that became the ccp…
Do you want the most violent in power?
How exactly do you think the USA was formed?
two bad examples. The populations of Russia and China were certainly better off after violent revolution. And of course, things got violent in 1776.
Objectively untrue for china from every perspective and is only briefly kinda true for russia; as serfs were freed but after Stalins takeover as the lands were took back and people were legally required to work
And the 1776 revolution would be not comparable in any way for the violence OP called for as the upper class led that revolution!
So you think that revolutions are only acceptable when the rich do it? The industrialization of Russia and China were probably the largest movement of impoverished people to relative stability in human history.
No, the us revolution resulted in much much different issues many persisting to this day like the inherent undemocratic system your lot clings to! But the power was distributed to the point where not one person could grab for it. Not that some didn’t want to have George Washington as a king…
Do you guys just make semi random statements? Industrialization did not raise Russian living standard at all! In the short term it decreased it and in the long term, compared to say Taiwan, progressed incomparably worse
It must be so easy being an anti communist, you can just make up whatever completely baseless claims you like and apparently expect people to believe them
There is no way that User isn’t just some Internet troll. Lol.
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Maybe you should learn what the word “objectively” means, dumbass
According to meriam webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objectively) objectively is defined as: “in an objective rather than subjective or biased way : with a basis in observable facts rather than feelings or opinions”; according to which I used the word correctly!
Kinda sad that after being called out for spouting baseless nonsense you come up with a ‘no you’ with naming your group for their support and apparently randomly picking a word you don’t understand, claiming it to be used wrongly to appear smarter… Kinda sad
Least incoherent anti-communist
I know this is going to be hard for you as an American, but words mean things! Try using google, it can explain things you don’t understand!
And being anti-communist is a compliment in countries where your communism was violently implemented, you know? Like in mine, Hungary :)
No the aristocrats were far more violent.
If people are violent against you, you have the right to defend yourself. That guy constantly advocated for violence against trans people, among many other groups.
Why a trans person have to sit and wait to be beaten up to death for some guy indoctrinated by this guy? They may chose their own life over the ones that are on a path to killing them.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Was that what they’ve been saying all this time?
I want to believe in the peaceful solution, but history tells us otherwise.
You can’t vote fascists out of power. The democrats are closeted fascists. Wonder why they never do anything productive even when they have a majority? It’s because they’re owned by corporations just like the republicans are, they just pretend to care about you. They’ll never actually do anything because it would hurt their corporate masters.
Have you been seeing the progress that’s happening without intervention
The system is broken.