Hi, in my current PC i have an RX 580 8gb, Ryzen 5 2600 and 32gb of RAM 3000mhz CL 16 (its 3200mhz but i had stability issues and had to put them at 3000).
I recently bought a 165hz monitor but i struggle to reach that fps in CS2, which is the main game i play. I read that its a CPU game, so i guess its time to update the 2600. My goal is basically reaching around the 165-200 fps line in CS2 to benefit from the monitor with the least money possible, but if i get a CPU that will future-proof my build for some years i won’t complain. (mind that i basically never play very demanding games, and when i do i don’t have problems favouring fps over graphics, after all the monitor is a TN haha)
Reading around i stumbled across the 5 5600x (read also a lot about the 5700x3d but its 150 euro more so no thanks) or the 5700x. (if you have other things in mind suggest freely im open to anything)
So my question is which one should i buy and at which price? After a very quick search the 5600x is around 105€ and the 5700x 115€. Also, will the GPU bottleneck be a big problem? Btw i’ll run memtest86 to check if the RAM is faulty cause i was on 3000mhz for years but i feel like if i upgrade the CPU i should at least max the ram frequency.
Are you aware of the big Newegg Fantastech II sale tomorrow? I made a cheap Ryzen 2700 build with the one in 2019.
I might be getting my hopes up, though. EDIT: yeah, probably
i struggle to reach that fps in CS2, which is the main game i play. I read that its a CPU game, so i guess its time to update the 2600
Might help to actually confirm that your GPU has near 100% utilization in that case.
Also, is that already with FSR and other similar tech?
I live in Europe so no Newegg :(
I tried to check usages today but Afterburner wasn’t working for Counter Strike. I read that is a common problem, if you know another way i could check stats tell me!
Tbh i don’t even know what FSR is hahah. But im 90% sure is a CPU problem as:
1)i play in an abysmal 1024x768 4:3 (and the fps are similar to when i played in 1920x1080, and going down further doesnt increase them either) 2) i got a 20-25 fps loss when defender asked me to activate core isolation, and i read that could cause a 10-15% loss
Ah, sorry.
If you can’t get any hud running, you probably could just see GPU utilization from your GPU settings thingamajig.
Though yeah, if you’re running at a low res already you’re probably right and FSR would only really be a visual thing (assuming your desired games support it so GUI can be native-res).
I’ll try what another comment said and look for the steam overlay option just to be sure, butyeah i think its not the gpu the problem. Thank you for your help :)
I think you can use the new-ish performance overlay for Steam with CS2
Yeah that’ll bottleneck for sure. Good news is you dont need a brand new GPU either. Maybe a 5500 xt would pair well?
I’ll prefer not to upgrade the GPU if its not absolutely necessary. I mean, if not upgrading it doesn’t worsen my performaces and with just the CPU i get to that desidered fps, i don’t care if i dont reach the max potential of the CPU, at least for now.
Im trying to save money and that GPU would be another 200ish €.
Just get the 5700x and ship it. I think you’ll notice a performance boost and the bottleneck won’t be too big a deal. The two units are a bit far apart from each other but you can always upgrade the GPU further down the line. Plus its CS we’re talking about and no some new triple a release.
Thank you :) Yeah, i don’t have high demands so probably the CPU will give me the boost im looking for. And when i’ll have some money to spend and feel like the good ol 580 has done its job i’ll be happy to upgrade.
Btw it’s all Valve’s fault, it they kept with CSGO i would be rocking 220+ fps and everybody would be happier, greedy greedy corporations :/
How much is the 5600 (non x)? because the FPS difference between the two is around 5-8%. I remember that when I went from a 2600x to a 5600 I got a nice fps boost at 1440p (don’t remember how much but I feel like it was 10-15%, maybe more), granted with a better GPU and not in CS2, but you will see a difference.
According to this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95JcvPyxPiQ
5600 + RX580 averages 200ish fps at 1080p low
also, doesn’t hurt to test, but iirc my 2600x couldn’t handle RAM any faster than 3100something, 3200 would crash as soon as I started a 3D application
Cheapest 5600i could find from reliable seller comes at 105€ (including shipping), 5600x for 116€ and 5700x 140€. Which one should you think is best? Edit: maybe i can haggle for some 5600x or non x on vinted to try lowering the price to an 80ish euro, but dont know id risk buying used from private sellers. (Also they are crazy with prices, they try sell used for same or more than new)
I play all games at 1080p except CS which i play like lower 1000somethingx700something, and im 90% sure im held back by the cpu cause lowering further doesnt increase the fps (also i play almost settings at low so texture, models, effects ecc)
About my current cpu another comment said that the 2600 cant handle 3200mhz, i searched a bit and found other reddit posts that says the same about the difficulty of the 2600 on dual channel ram over 3200. At this point i just wait until the new cpu and when i update the bios ill crank the ram to 3200 when i got the new cpu.
did you mean 5600F? (never mind, I read 5600i lol)
for €11, get the X then because the F is a step below the 5600.depending on how much you want to spend, and keeping in mind that the 5600 is more than enough to get to your maximum refresh rate, an then some, I’d get the 5600/5600X and save the money.
at your resolution (1024*768?) that video shows even higher FPS so I really don’t see the need to go for a 5700X.
you’re right that your current bottleneck is the CPU
sorry for the confusion, i made a typo hahaha
I asked about the 5700x cause the price seemed not too high and if i could get some more “future proofing” and cores for the right price i could get me to spend some 25€ more.
But if you say its not worth the money more i think i’ll stick to the 5600 or 5600X. :)
I can’t really tell, because your use-case is very different from mine and could change in the future. a 5600 gets you 250+ FPS at 1024*768 in CS2, and with it the bottleneck in other, more modern games, will be the GPU instead, so I think spending 20% more for a 5700X when the 5600 is more than enough for your monitor is a bit of wasted money… you could save that for a newer GPU once you find that yours isn’t enough anymore.
just watch videos titled 5600 RX580 + name-of-the-game-you-play and then do the same with 5700X instead and see for yourself if it’s worth the higjer price or not!
Thank you very much for your help :)
No no, i meant the R7 5700X.
Im asking just because if the 5700x is a good offer for 130€, i can get me to spend something more for some more power and cores for the future. If you think its not worth the money more and dont really need ill settle for the 5600x.
I believe the 2600 is incompatible with 3200 Mhz, which is why you’re getting memory stability issues. If you get a 5000 series cpu, you should be able to max out your memory speed.
5600(x) is a pretty solid cpu. I have a 5600 non-x and it still works fine for all of my games. Not sure if you care, or if the price difference nowadays even makes a difference, but the 5600 is negligibly slower than the 5600x but it’s cheaper. Either way, both should be pretty solid choices. 5700x is fine too, if you care about having more cores. IMO though most games don’t really utilize that many cores to begin with so I don’t care much for it
The x3d chips are more expensive but they’re way stronger, so my understanding is that most people consider them to be worth the extra money.
The 580 GPU might be bottlenecking, my understanding is that CS2 is more visually demanding than CS1, though I don’t know how visually demanding it is. The GPU market is a shitshow right now though. I think the best bang-for-your-buck gpu right now might be the 9060xt, but even then it’s a pretty hefty 380 usd. If you do get a new gpu, make sure it has enough vram for your use case. IMO I would just go for 16 gb minimum nowadays
I didn’t had any idea it was incompatible! I tought it was the fact that i had to buy two separate sticks cause i did a mistake ordering and bought 1x16gb instead of 2x8 and had to buy another 16gb one (same brand, same mhz and CL speed obv) and that they didnt go well together. Hope that is as you say and a new CPU will hold the 3200mhz!
About the CPU for what i’ve seen in my superficial research for now, 5600 and 5600x are about the same price with no big differencies, both around the 100€. For the 5700x i asked cause i found one for just 15€ more and didn’t know if it makes sense to get it over the 5600x for this small of a difference, but i guess it can’t hurt right? Sadly i cant afford the x3d, even if i read that they’re much better :(
About the GPU, as i said to another comment i would prefer not to upgrade if not strictly necessary, as i don’t need to squeeze every fps out of the cpu. If just the CPU gets me to that desidered fps, and not upgrading the GPU doesnt destroy my sistem or worse the performance of it, i can wait a few years :)
The only reason I know about the incompatibility is because I ran into the exact same issue when I was building a 2600x system with 3200 mhz memory.
If 5700x is only 15e more, you might as well get it. That seems like a good deal
For the gpu, it might make sense to look at gpu utilization. It won’t tell you the entire story but it might give some clues as to whether your gpu is bottlenecking/how close it is to bottlenecking. Because it very well could be that your cpu is fine but it’s actually the gpu that’s limiting your performance. In which case you would rather get a gpu but not a cpu
About the gpu i’m pretty sure its not the problem cause im running a very low resolution and lowering even more doesnt improve the fps, also i lost some frames (20-25) when i enabled core isolation on windows security, so im 90% sure its a cpu thing, but i’ll try to check the utilization during CS just to be sure.
Yeah i think i’ll go for that 5700x, even though i will look meticously to find some x3d’s deals, that would be amazing (thought i think i’ll have to upgrade my hyper 212 cooler)
Thank you for your help :)
