This is a genuine question, because one of the reasons I left Christianity (I was raised Christian) was that I didn’t like how they hate gay people, are pro-life, etc., and overall are pretty hypocritical. But as I got older, I realized there are Catholics who are pro-choice, aren’t homophobic, and don’t have an issue with having sex before marriage, etc., and basically are not stereotypical religious people at all. But I have to ask—how do they justify this? I mean, it must be very confusing, because if the Bible does say being gay is a sin and you are not homophobic and are pro-LGBTQ+, then you are basically saying sinning is okay, which goes against their very religion. How about Catholics who swear? Basically, how do liberal Christians/Catholics justify their religion? Why be religious if you aren’t going to go all in?

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    The Scriptures are literal and symbolic at the same time, considering that it’s how it was interpreted historically.

    As far as “pro-life” is concerned, the Scriptures’ silence on this matter is because, from what I understand, you never sacrificed your children to strange gods. Abortion is, to most (including myself), a form of ritualistic human sacrifice nowadays, which is why most people are pro-life.

    The prohibitions against pork and other unclean meats are still in effect to this very day. Only if a commandment required a Levitical priesthood (this was since replaced with Melchizedek) and/or a temple (which won’t be built a third time), we don’t have to do it anymore. This was since 31 A.D., in fact.

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        What Messiah Yeshua’s talking about isn’t meat. Instead, it has to do with eating with those who don’t practice what you practice. This comes straight from the NIV disinterpretation (of which is intentional), saying all meats are clean. This isn’t true once you look at the Hebraic (notice I didn’t say “Jewish”) understanding of it.

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          When you say intentional, do you mean it’s interpreted that way as part of an agenda? Why would someone do this? Other versions of the verse make similar purity claims as well. From the surrounding verses, it sounds to me like Jesus is saying what you eat does not matter in the context of morals/sin rather than it being symbolic of people with different practices.

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            It was interpreted in such a way to allow anyone to eat meat that isn’t food according to Leviticus, and the “Food Chapter” as it’s called. It was a way to basically disregard that commandment (one of eighty and three) entirely. And yes, it was intentional.

            Also, the Kashrut laws (not Kosher, that’s different) are in effect to this very day, hence, the list of meats that are not food.

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      Question, what are ‘unclean meats’ in the modern day of cooking?

      Yes, I’ve seen videos of improperly prepared meats, they come in all forms, including Captain Brainworm eating half raw bear meat…

      But now in modern times, we know how to fully and properly cook meat to avoid such parasites and other issues. So, what’s the issue of updating the rules to reflect modern knowledge and cooking technology?

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        These are the meats that aren’t considered food in the Scriptures:

        Land (Does not chew the cud or fully part the hoof, must have both to be clean):

        • Armadillo
        • Badger
        • Bear
        • Beaver
        • Boar
        • Camel
        • Cat
        • Cheetah
        • Coyote
        • Dog
        • Donkey
        • Elephant
        • Fox
        • Gorilla
        • Groundhog
        • Hare
        • Hippopotamus
        • Horse
        • Hyena
        • Jackal
        • Kangaroo
        • Leopard
        • Lion
        • Llama (alpaca, vicuña)
        • Mole
        • Monkey
        • Mouse
        • Mule
        • Muskrat
        • Onager
        • Opossum
        • Panther
        • Peccary
        • Pig (hog, bacon, ham, lard, pork)
        • Porcupine
        • Rabbit
        • Raccoon
        • Rat
        • Rhinoceros
        • Skunk
        • Slug
        • Snail (escargot)
        • Squirrel
        • Tiger
        • Wallaby
        • Weasel
        • Wolf
        • Wolverine
        • Worm
        • Zebra

        Birds:

        • Albatross
        • Bat
        • Bittern
        • Buzzard
        • Condor
        • Coot
        • Cormorant
        • Crane
        • Crow
        • Cuckoo
        • Eagle
        • Flamingo
        • Grebe
        • Grosbeak
        • Gull
        • Hawk
        • Heron
        • Kite
        • Lapwing
        • Loon
        • Magpie
        • Osprey
        • Ostrich
        • Owl
        • Parrot
        • Pelican
        • Penguin
        • Plover
        • Rail
        • Raven
        • Roadrunner
        • Sandpiper
        • Seagull
        • Stork
        • Swallow
        • Swift
        • Vulture
        • Water Hen
        • Woodpecker

        Insects:

        All except some in the locust family

        Reptiles and Amphibians:

        • Alligator
        • Blindworm
        • Caiman
        • Crocodile
        • Frogs
        • Lizard
        • Newts
        • Salamanders
        • Snakes
        • Toads
        • Turtles

        Fish and Marine Animals (No fins or scales, must have both to be clean):

        • Abalone
        • Bullhead
        • Catfish
        • Clam
        • Crab
        • Crayfish
        • Cuttlefish
        • Dolphin
        • Eel
        • European Turbot
        • Jellyfish
        • Limpet
        • Lobsters
        • Marlin
        • Mussels
        • Octopus
        • Otter
        • Oysters
        • Paddlefish
        • Porpoise
        • Prawn
        • Scallop
        • Seal
        • Shark
        • Shrimp
        • Squid (calamari)
        • Stickleback
        • Sturgeon
        • Swordfish
        • Walrus
        • Whale
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            I need to reformat the list a bit, but I just did a quick search on it, and this was exactly what came up.

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              What you’ve already posted is perfectly cromulent, but if you feel you should reformat and update the list, well if I may ask, please let me know tomorrow. I do actually like to learn…

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          Armadillos and Raccoons are native to the Americas There are a few more that seem ahistorical (Penguin, Opossum, Zebra, Panther, Wallaby). Perhaps this list is from a modern source?

          Very interesting. It would maybe be quicker to list the animals that are kosher

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            Alright, another comment so I can go ahead and just list these:

            Land (Chew cud and part hoof, either missing is unclean)

            • Antelope
            • Bison (buffalo)
            • Caribous
            • Cattle (beef, veal)
            • Deer (venison)
            • Elk
            • Gazelle
            • Giraffe (even though they’re wild, it can be eaten if push comes to shove)
            • Goat
            • Hart
            • Ibex
            • Moose
            • Ox
            • Reindeer
            • Sheep (lamb, mutton)

            Fish (both fins and scales, either missing is unclean)

            • Anchovy
            • Barracuda
            • Black pomfret (or monchong)
            • Bluefish
            • Bluegill
            • Carp
            • Cod
            • Crappie
            • Drum
            • Flounder
            • Grouper
            • Grunt
            • Haddock
            • Hake
            • Halibut
            • Hardhead
            • Herring (or alewife)
            • Mackerel
            • Mahimahi (or dorado, dolphinfish [not dolphin, the mammal])
            • Minnow
            • Mullet
            • Perch (or bream)
            • Pike (or pickerel, jack)
            • Pollack (or pollock, Boston bluefish)
            • Rockfish
            • Salmon
            • Sardine (or pilchard)
            • Shad
            • Silver hake (or whiting)
            • Smelt (or frost fish, ice fish)
            • Snapper (or ebu, jobfish, lehi, onaga, opakapaka, uku)
            • Sole
            • Steelhead
            • Sucker
            • Sunfish
            • Tarpon
            • Trout (or weakfish)
            • Tuna (or ahi, aku, albacore, bonito, tombo)
            • Whitefish

            Birds with Clean Characteristics

            • Chicken
            • Dove
            • Duck
            • Goose
            • Grouse
            • Guinea fowl
            • Partridge
            • Peafowl
            • Pheasant
            • Pigeon
            • Prairie chicken
            • Ptarmigan
            • Quail
            • Sagehen
            • Sparrow (and other songbirds)
            • Swan (maybe some sort of specific owl?)
            • Teal
            • Turkey

            Insects

            • Pretty much any locust including crickets and grasshoppers
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                Kosher requires some other things that you don’t need to do. This is Kashrut, not Kosher.

                But yes, that’s exactly the list of foods that are good under Kashrut (food in Hebrew).