The curse of vaccines is that they’re victims of their own success. They are so successful in fact that people forget why we need them in the first place. That’s why we unfortunately need a control group.
Thankfully some people volunteer for that role …
I don’t know what word I want to use. Not unintelligent, not really dumb or ignorant (although the people who blindly follow others who tell them they’re bad are), stupid? But at the top it seems like there’s people saying this stuff who are seemingly none of those. Malignant, I guess?
Either way, people need to realize how important vaccines are.
Oh are you thinking of state level disinformation campaigns? If only there was some evidence that you could find to prove those things exist. Hmmm what ever will you do? nah, speculating on lemmy is the only thing we can do. Them misinformation spreaders are bad amirite
I’m not from the states. But merely questioning the motives of whoever is starting these disinformation campaigns. Vaccines work and keep people safe. Bottom line. No one can successfully argue the contrary.
Are you doing okay?
Hmmm if only there was proof of these state sponsors information warfare campaigns using anti-vax misnformation. Hmm no better stick to misunderstanding sarcasm on lemmy and then speculating on things I could probably verify. Them misinfo spreaders are bad, am i right or what?
Wooosh.
If only.
What are you even trying to argue?
The first batches of mRNA vaccines were terrible. One of my friends had his skin start peeling after the first shot. Two others died within a day from the third shot. One of them was an athlete who swam daily. In my country, they were pushed on everyone, babies and pregnant women, some of whom later had abortions. But I guess no one will ever admit any mistakes. it’s easier to sow division among people than to seriously look into potential side effects.
Sources. You know. To show you’re not a tool.
I’m sure you can find some papers easily, I haven’t looked into it in years but just from memory there are a few vectors from which problems can arise. The immune system produces antibodies and is responsible for ensuring that they are properly reactive. If this system becomes overactivated, some antibodies may slip through and target the own body, potentially leading to an autoimmune response. We also know that breastfeeding can transfer antibodies from mother to baby. Another consideration is the stability of mRNA production from fetal stem cells. In previous experiments, this process has often been unreliable or unstable. Also the virus mutates much more rapidly than many others, so priming the immune system against a specific variant may reduce its effectiveness against other variants or different viruses.
Sorry but no, this is not how it works. You claim things, you show proof of things. I don’t look it up for you. Provide sources.
Here’s a few: https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488 https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2025/12/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10108562/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9206826/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33866000/ https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/new-comprehensive-review-examines-potential-harms-of-covid-19-vaccination-and-intramuscular-vaccination https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M23-2956 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9021367/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283 https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2025.1501921/full
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7944975/ If not mistaken this study used by Pfizer to support its vaccine global safety, was conducted in Israel using data from Clalit Health Services. The methodology was flawed: Pfizer sponsored the study, the lead researcher had ties to the company, and there was no proper system to track side effects (unlike the U.S. VAERS system)
I knew an athlete who had an mRNA vaccine and he died in a car accident two days afterwards. This was a very fit and healthy person who ran daily.
Hilarious, did you come up with this yourself, using your own talent?
Yeah I did, kinda like how only twelve people came up with 90% of the anti vax bullshit that got spread around during COVID.
I’m not trying to defend anti-vax views, but to critique the culture of denial. Clearly, it’s difficult for many to discuss the negative aspects without dismissal, likely due to the cognitive dissonance they experience.
Probably more to do with the fact that there is, at most, a tiny grain of truth at the core, but it’s wrapped in a mountain of bullshit.
Could be, but what interest would a regular person have in making things up? The only explanation I can think of is state actors, but even then, there must be something real to hold onto, even if it’s a 1 in million chance. The fact that everyone else is being dismissed makes it feel like a cult. I hate that criticizing Pfizer and Moderna has become associated with a political view, especially since these companies were involved in huge fraud scandals before.
Cue the classic Arthur meme, “do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?”
How about for money? How many grifters pushed their own protective supplements? You think pharma maybe would pay some astroturfers to push the ivermectin that didn’t do dick for anyone that didn’t have worms already because it’s fucking dewormer? How many antivaxxers made up bullshit about it just like they do every other vaccine? How many wealthy people down played everything and helped push lies so their workers would get the fuck back in the office/factory? How many people just said some stupid shit and doubled down to protect their ego when called out?
Like here’s the real issue. You’ve put no real thought at all into why someone might lie about it, as evidenced by the fact that you can only conceive of it being state actors while I came up with all those people incentivized to lie off the top of my head. And then, after putting no real effort into reflection or anything, you look around at all the people who can come up with reasons you’re wrong and claim it feels like a cult.
