Maybe I’m just a dumbass, but I think your rule of thumb is busted?
X should be slower than A, but should not be faster than A + B.
Isn’t slower the same as “not faster”? I think it should be slower than A, but faster than A + B. So between A and A + B.
Or “the bus should be faster if it’s already here, but cycling should be faster if you’d have to wait for the bus”. I think that’s what you were going for.
Its a good rule of thumb. I ride an hour in to work (on an e-scooter) because it is faster than that bus during rush hour. Outside of rush hour though, the bus beats me every time. It’d be cool if I could become mayor to add a bus lane for that route. And all the other routes that need it tbh.
counterpoint:
cycling takes 10 minutes,
bus takes 5 minutes,
at this point cycling is slower than the bus.
waiting for the bus takes 8 minutes,
now cycling is faster than waiting + ride time
Bike with parking can and often should be faster start to destination than walking+bus+walking at least compared to city buses, it’s different with buses who are allowed to go faster than 50 km/h
If you can best a bus in a footrace, that bus route needs to be improved. As simple as that.
My rule of thumb is: taking a cycle should be slower than bus (when starting at the same time) but the waiting time should not make the bus slower.
Edited: wording
With all the stops, cycling is usually faster unless the route is uphill or you really don’t have a lot of stops and probably need more.
How far apart are you stops? It’ll they are too close, I can see this happen. ~5 minute walking?
Bus routes are not always straight, that may also contribute. But yeah, I think stops are 5–7 minutes by foot apart here
Maybe I’m just a dumbass, but I think your rule of thumb is busted?
X should be slower than A, but should not be faster than A + B.
Isn’t slower the same as “not faster”? I think it should be slower than A, but faster than A + B. So between A and A + B.
Or “the bus should be faster if it’s already here, but cycling should be faster if you’d have to wait for the bus”. I think that’s what you were going for.
Okay, I’m not the only one who was confused there for a sec
Yeah, almost. Cycling shouldn’t be much faster than having to wait. If it is, either the route has too many stops or a low frequency.
My average cycle speed at around 10 kmph (minimal effort, no hills, some red lights) and if a bus can’t match this…
Give it better signalling, dedicated lanes to skip traffic, etc.
My ‘can’t hold attention long enough to read all the words’ brain auto-converted it to
which must be what they meant.
Its a good rule of thumb. I ride an hour in to work (on an e-scooter) because it is faster than that bus during rush hour. Outside of rush hour though, the bus beats me every time. It’d be cool if I could become mayor to add a bus lane for that route. And all the other routes that need it tbh.
My rule of thumb is that within a city, a bus (other than BRT) is likely roughly the same speed as a bike, assuming good bike routes.
If the bikes are stopping regularly because of red lights, that will obviously change.
if a bicycle is slower than a bus, then it is definitely slower than waiting+taking a bus
Think you got yourself mixed around there.
no?
counterpoint: cycling takes 10 minutes, bus takes 5 minutes, at this point cycling is slower than the bus. waiting for the bus takes 8 minutes, now cycling is faster than waiting + ride time
that makes sense and now that i reread it idk what i was thinking. sounds like a few people were confused though loll
Bike with parking can and often should be faster start to destination than walking+bus+walking at least compared to city buses, it’s different with buses who are allowed to go faster than 50 km/h
Some cities have abysmal frequencies. So you would be waiting for 20 minutes or more