You’ve fallen for the false dichotomy that you have to pick men or women like their interests are inherently at odds and human rights is a zero sum game.
Democrats know they have a problem with men, particularly the young men who have drifted away from them in recent years.
But six months after the gender gap contributed to the party’s disappointing showing in last year’s election, top Democrats are still throwing spaghetti at the wall, lacking a unified theory on how to win these voters back.
Not just relationships but the problems each gender faces. Democrats have been too focused on the problems women face probably because they foolishly believed that since there are more women than men, this would enable them to win.
At the center of all of this is an acknowledgement that public opinion on the Democratic Party has dipped to an all-time low, men are souring on the party especially quickly, and losing ground with about half the voting population isn’t a recipe for success. It’s weighing heavily on the minds of Democrats while making Republicans giddy: On Friday, President Donald Trump needled Democrats for wanting to “spend money to learn how to talk” to men.
Jeff Horwitt, a Democratic pollster with Hart Research Associates (who conducts the NBC News poll with a Republican counterpart), told NBC News that a look at recent presidential exit poll results shows that “when Democrats do well broadly with men, they are competitive. When Democrats are not competitive with men, Democrats lose.” And while Horwitt doesn’t believe Republicans “have a lock on young men,” the GOP spoke to their economic anxiety in 2024 in a way that loomed large in 2024.
I’m not really seeing where the Democratic Party is doing anything to cater to women over men.
Can I find examples of extremely loud activists that are terminally online and that might be saying what I consider rather dumb and unhelpful and counterproductive? Of course. That doesn’t mean that is the direction the party is taking.
Democrats know they have a problem with men, particularly the young men who have drifted away from them in recent years.
But six months after the gender gap contributed to the party’s disappointing showing in last year’s election, top Democrats are still throwing spaghetti at the wall, lacking a unified theory on how to win these voters back.
Again, I’m not sure where I see Democrat politicians kicking men. Do you have examples of actual policies that Democratic politicians vote for, or don’t vote for, that are ostracizing men?
Do I see plenty of liberal activists doing what I think is performative and ridiculous bullshit practically designed - maybe even literally crafted and designed to do exactly that- to peel men away from the Democratic Party?
Oh hell yes I do.
A nearly textbook case of this I could point to is what BoingBoing’s comment section turned into. I honestly don’t know if it was a psyop or just a case of people being really really stupid. Anyway, right after they achieved peak liberal (oh, excuse me, I called them “liberal” which they find deeply offensive, LOL, and insist on being called “leftists”, by Athena, and don’t you ever forget it, you shitlibs!) caricature and maintained that for a few years, it was taken behind a paywall.
Just in time for PEDOnald’s second term, by the way. Very interesting.
But do I think these overly vocal and terminally online are really the Democratic Party, most importantly, the Democratic candidates actually running for office or in office?
Not even close. But I know that Faux “News” loves to go nutpicking and find quotes from the fringiest of the fringe and declare that there is a war on men or whatever.
One place that young male voters found a sense of community and culture, Democrats say, is in the loose collection of podcasts often dubbed the “manosphere.”
These podcasts — hosted by comedians such as Joe Rogan, Theo Von, Tim Dillon and Andrew Schulz — often make "you feel like you’re not alone,” Litman said.
“It’s funny, often very funny. It’s a little subversive or often very subversive. It feels intimate. You get to know the hosts over the course of hours and hours of conversation: their lives and their, their personalities and their quirks, and I think that is really special. Like, the parasocial relationship can be very powerful,” she added.
There are many women in the American right. However, Democrats would be smart to not just cater to women but to men.
You’ve fallen for the false dichotomy that you have to pick men or women like their interests are inherently at odds and human rights is a zero sum game.
From https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/democrats-ponder-manosphere-rcna209806
Democrats know they have a problem with men, particularly the young men who have drifted away from them in recent years. But six months after the gender gap contributed to the party’s disappointing showing in last year’s election, top Democrats are still throwing spaghetti at the wall, lacking a unified theory on how to win these voters back.
TBF that seems to be their MO in general.
Only way appeal broadly to both is to not favor subjugating one to the other, but support people in the relationships they want to have.
Not just relationships but the problems each gender faces. Democrats have been too focused on the problems women face probably because they foolishly believed that since there are more women than men, this would enable them to win.
This is utter nonsense. What they have not done is pander to the desire to oppress
From https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/democrats-ponder-manosphere-rcna209806
At the center of all of this is an acknowledgement that public opinion on the Democratic Party has dipped to an all-time low, men are souring on the party especially quickly, and losing ground with about half the voting population isn’t a recipe for success. It’s weighing heavily on the minds of Democrats while making Republicans giddy: On Friday, President Donald Trump needled Democrats for wanting to “spend money to learn how to talk” to men.
Jeff Horwitt, a Democratic pollster with Hart Research Associates (who conducts the NBC News poll with a Republican counterpart), told NBC News that a look at recent presidential exit poll results shows that “when Democrats do well broadly with men, they are competitive. When Democrats are not competitive with men, Democrats lose.” And while Horwitt doesn’t believe Republicans “have a lock on young men,” the GOP spoke to their economic anxiety in 2024 in a way that loomed large in 2024.
I’m not really seeing where the Democratic Party is doing anything to cater to women over men.
Can I find examples of extremely loud activists that are terminally online and that might be saying what I consider rather dumb and unhelpful and counterproductive? Of course. That doesn’t mean that is the direction the party is taking.
From https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/democrats-ponder-manosphere-rcna209806
Democrats know they have a problem with men, particularly the young men who have drifted away from them in recent years. But six months after the gender gap contributed to the party’s disappointing showing in last year’s election, top Democrats are still throwing spaghetti at the wall, lacking a unified theory on how to win these voters back.
Again, I’m not sure where I see Democrat politicians kicking men. Do you have examples of actual policies that Democratic politicians vote for, or don’t vote for, that are ostracizing men?
Do I see plenty of liberal activists doing what I think is performative and ridiculous bullshit practically designed - maybe even literally crafted and designed to do exactly that- to peel men away from the Democratic Party?
Oh hell yes I do.
A nearly textbook case of this I could point to is what BoingBoing’s comment section turned into. I honestly don’t know if it was a psyop or just a case of people being really really stupid. Anyway, right after they achieved peak liberal (oh, excuse me, I called them “liberal” which they find deeply offensive, LOL, and insist on being called “leftists”, by Athena, and don’t you ever forget it, you shitlibs!) caricature and maintained that for a few years, it was taken behind a paywall.
Just in time for PEDOnald’s second term, by the way. Very interesting.
But do I think these overly vocal and terminally online are really the Democratic Party, most importantly, the Democratic candidates actually running for office or in office?
Not even close. But I know that Faux “News” loves to go nutpicking and find quotes from the fringiest of the fringe and declare that there is a war on men or whatever.
The problem could be simply that Democrats did not attempt to connect with young men. Kamala Harris refused to appear in Joe Rogan’s podcast. From https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democrats-dip-manosphere-search-key-young-male-vote-rcna243890
One place that young male voters found a sense of community and culture, Democrats say, is in the loose collection of podcasts often dubbed the “manosphere.”
These podcasts — hosted by comedians such as Joe Rogan, Theo Von, Tim Dillon and Andrew Schulz — often make "you feel like you’re not alone,” Litman said.
“It’s funny, often very funny. It’s a little subversive or often very subversive. It feels intimate. You get to know the hosts over the course of hours and hours of conversation: their lives and their, their personalities and their quirks, and I think that is really special. Like, the parasocial relationship can be very powerful,” she added.