I am surprised at the onslaught of downvotes about not wanting ACOTAR in a school library, seems pretty sane to me.
Are school libraries also public libraries in some places? Where I am at, they are not. They are only accessible to the children attending the school and maybe the staff working there.
Obviously school libraries - especially at the K-6 level - should have different guidelines than public libraries.
I mean, that’s literally what I’ve been arguing the whole time… but nope… people are like “you have to let kids read erotica!!! Stopping schools from giving smut to kids is wrong!!! parents who set boundaries are bad parents!!!”
100%. I think it’s quite reasonable to have boundaries in school libraries. I bet nearly everyone would agree with that, except for the online free speech maximalists who probably don’t really take that position IRL anyway…
Where that line is will obviously be something that people differ on. To be fair, I’m not all that familiar with the line of books you are talking about, but if they are as you describe, I doubt too many are going to back them, at least at the lower grades.
Lol our school librarian would recommend them to us if we brought it up and tell us what librarian at the public library has the best smut recommendations.
Wtf are you talking about, I have clear memories of my elementary school classmates pointing out things in anatomy books and talking about sex, are you really such a prude that you don’t think or even remember that you were interested in such things as a child?
an anatomy book is a educational guide and reference for understanding human biology. It’s a textbook, explicitly and primarily written for learning… that’s quite a large step away from a fantasy erotica novel… just because they’re both books with dicks in them does not mean they’re both appropriate for kids.
Intention matters. Unless you’re an idiot, I guess?
You cannot stop children from looking at the things/ finding the things that they want to, and trying to block access to those things is just censorship for the sake of making yourself feel better.
“even though you’re the parent and responsible for the wellbeing and education of your child, you’re not allowed to set any kind of restrictions or boundaries. You must let your child do whatever they want, consume whatever they want… because they want to, and they will try to do it anyways so just let them”
The biggest struggle is getting kids actually reading. You don’t do that by forcing them to only read books that don’t interest them at all.
If the entire purpose is to encourage kids to read (it’s not…not in 'murica, anyway), but you take away anything they want to read, you’re defeating the purpose.
I can’t believe this is actually something people want to debate! It’s ludicrous. Reading improves a kids cognition and ability to process complex thoughts. That’s the entire purpose of a school library.
How in the fuck did we go from a world where your teacher would tell you to go pick three books from the library to take home and read, to a world where your teacher tells you to not read books you like for some obscure reason?
Getting kids reading IS the entire point. It’s the foudational skill to everything else that comes along with it.
A child who has the presence of mind to make it 10 pages into either of those books is ready to have the important conversations that come with the territory.
Stop catastrophizing. You know as well as I do that isn’t what I’m referring to. I’m talking about putting fantasy books and other “non-educational” books in school libraries.
No one is saying that libraries should have porn and mein kampf. What you’re doing is the classic slippery slope fallacy and no one is dumb enough to fall for it, so shut it.
lol, you can’t get any more le reddit, than misusing a logical fallacy in attempt to look smart.
That isn’t a slippery slope… slippery slope is, “if kids read spicy books, they’ll have unrealistic ideas about sex, and if htey have unrealistic ideas about sex then they’ll all become furries, and if they’re all furries then everyone will be gay and no one will have kids ever again…”
Taking your point and giving an example where it doesn’t hold isn’t a fallacy on my part. It’s a logical inconsistency that you’re demonstrating. That you’re too dumb to understand that isn’t my fault. If I were you, I would just shut it, quit while you’re behind and whatnot.
Slippery slope is “If we let libraries carry un-educational books like fantasy novels, we’ll end up having to let libraries carry porn and mein kampf.”
And that’s the last I’m going to bother responding to idiot trolls.
I am surprised at the onslaught of downvotes about not wanting ACOTAR in a school library, seems pretty sane to me.
Are school libraries also public libraries in some places? Where I am at, they are not. They are only accessible to the children attending the school and maybe the staff working there.
I wonder if there is some confusion about the difference between school libraries and public libraries.
Obviously school libraries - especially at the K-6 level - should have different guidelines than public libraries.
I mean, that’s literally what I’ve been arguing the whole time… but nope… people are like “you have to let kids read erotica!!! Stopping schools from giving smut to kids is wrong!!! parents who set boundaries are bad parents!!!”
100%. I think it’s quite reasonable to have boundaries in school libraries. I bet nearly everyone would agree with that, except for the online free speech maximalists who probably don’t really take that position IRL anyway…
Where that line is will obviously be something that people differ on. To be fair, I’m not all that familiar with the line of books you are talking about, but if they are as you describe, I doubt too many are going to back them, at least at the lower grades.
Seems pretty sane to me too, man. I don’t know. A lot of people seem to really want kids to read porn without any restrictions… at a school library.
Right, that’s what the public library is for! Do kids no longer have access to both?
I think a lot of the commenters here didn’t have access to adult materials as kids and they’re real salty about it.
Lol our school librarian would recommend them to us if we brought it up and tell us what librarian at the public library has the best smut recommendations.
Wtf are you talking about, I have clear memories of my elementary school classmates pointing out things in anatomy books and talking about sex, are you really such a prude that you don’t think or even remember that you were interested in such things as a child?
you’re kidding right?..
an anatomy book is a educational guide and reference for understanding human biology. It’s a textbook, explicitly and primarily written for learning… that’s quite a large step away from a fantasy erotica novel… just because they’re both books with dicks in them does not mean they’re both appropriate for kids.
Intention matters. Unless you’re an idiot, I guess?
You cannot stop children from looking at the things/ finding the things that they want to, and trying to block access to those things is just censorship for the sake of making yourself feel better.
So your argument is
“even though you’re the parent and responsible for the wellbeing and education of your child, you’re not allowed to set any kind of restrictions or boundaries. You must let your child do whatever they want, consume whatever they want… because they want to, and they will try to do it anyways so just let them”
that’s your position? Just… don’t parent at all?
It’s not sane at all.
The biggest struggle is getting kids actually reading. You don’t do that by forcing them to only read books that don’t interest them at all.
If the entire purpose is to encourage kids to read (it’s not…not in 'murica, anyway), but you take away anything they want to read, you’re defeating the purpose.
I can’t believe this is actually something people want to debate! It’s ludicrous. Reading improves a kids cognition and ability to process complex thoughts. That’s the entire purpose of a school library.
How in the fuck did we go from a world where your teacher would tell you to go pick three books from the library to take home and read, to a world where your teacher tells you to not read books you like for some obscure reason?
Getting kids reading IS the entire point. It’s the foudational skill to everything else that comes along with it.
Kid starts reading “Mein Kampf”, hey at least they’re reading!
Oh, they picked up “The Turner Diaries”, cool, that’s educational! Don’t wanna restrict or redirect at all… that would be bad parenting.
Stopping a child from reading inappropriate content for their age and without context? Practically ruins a child, right?
A child who has the presence of mind to make it 10 pages into either of those books is ready to have the important conversations that come with the territory.
That goes for books in general.
Stop catastrophizing. You know as well as I do that isn’t what I’m referring to. I’m talking about putting fantasy books and other “non-educational” books in school libraries.
No one is saying that libraries should have porn and mein kampf. What you’re doing is the classic slippery slope fallacy and no one is dumb enough to fall for it, so shut it.
lol, you can’t get any more le reddit, than misusing a logical fallacy in attempt to look smart.
That isn’t a slippery slope… slippery slope is, “if kids read spicy books, they’ll have unrealistic ideas about sex, and if htey have unrealistic ideas about sex then they’ll all become furries, and if they’re all furries then everyone will be gay and no one will have kids ever again…”
Taking your point and giving an example where it doesn’t hold isn’t a fallacy on my part. It’s a logical inconsistency that you’re demonstrating. That you’re too dumb to understand that isn’t my fault. If I were you, I would just shut it, quit while you’re behind and whatnot.
Slippery slope is “If we let libraries carry un-educational books like fantasy novels, we’ll end up having to let libraries carry porn and mein kampf.”
And that’s the last I’m going to bother responding to idiot trolls.
literally was never the argument I was making… but okay. So long traveler.