They’re convinced that in a society with social services available to everyone that nobody will have any incentive to work and therefore haven’t “earned” or don’t deserve the benefits. They think that their “hard work” will end with their earned income being “stolen” and given to “freeloaders.”
And like with any capitalist argument against socialism, they can’t comprehend that that’s actually what happens in the current system.
Socialism refers to collective ownership of the means of production. Social democracy refers to a capitalist market economy supplemented by welfare programs, labor protections, and public services. The two terms are not interchangeable despite frequent misuse on the internet. You are describing and advocating for social democracy not socialism.
Also, mix in that social programs that helped them are different.
Think of the famous Craig T Nelson quote: “I’ve been on food stamps and welfare. Anybody help me out? No.”
Things that they personally benefited from when they needed them aren’t socialist, they’re not government that’s too big. They’re programs that are OK, but only as long as the people on those program genuinely need them like they personally did. What they don’t realize is that most people on those programs do genuinely need them, and the rare people that are freeloading are hard to catch. It’s almost always cheaper just to open the program to anybody who claims to need it than to try to investigate people who you suspect might be using the aid fraudulently.
So, someone like Craig T. Nelson are probably against housing laws because he personally hasn’t been homeless or close to homeless. He’s probably against worker’s rights, even though he’s almost certainly in the SAG union, and has benefited from their health insurance. He’s reluctantly for the idea of food stamps because he used them himself. On the other hand, he’s probably sure that most food stamp users are frauds and don’t actually need them like he did.
They’re convinced that in a society with social services available to everyone that nobody will have any incentive to work and therefore haven’t “earned” or don’t deserve the benefits. They think that their “hard work” will end with their earned income being “stolen” and given to “freeloaders.”
And like with any capitalist argument against socialism, they can’t comprehend that that’s actually what happens in the current system.
Socialism refers to collective ownership of the means of production. Social democracy refers to a capitalist market economy supplemented by welfare programs, labor protections, and public services. The two terms are not interchangeable despite frequent misuse on the internet. You are describing and advocating for social democracy not socialism.
Do social services, or services freely accessible to the public, not also exist under socialism?
Also, mix in that social programs that helped them are different.
Think of the famous Craig T Nelson quote: “I’ve been on food stamps and welfare. Anybody help me out? No.”
Things that they personally benefited from when they needed them aren’t socialist, they’re not government that’s too big. They’re programs that are OK, but only as long as the people on those program genuinely need them like they personally did. What they don’t realize is that most people on those programs do genuinely need them, and the rare people that are freeloading are hard to catch. It’s almost always cheaper just to open the program to anybody who claims to need it than to try to investigate people who you suspect might be using the aid fraudulently.
So, someone like Craig T. Nelson are probably against housing laws because he personally hasn’t been homeless or close to homeless. He’s probably against worker’s rights, even though he’s almost certainly in the SAG union, and has benefited from their health insurance. He’s reluctantly for the idea of food stamps because he used them himself. On the other hand, he’s probably sure that most food stamp users are frauds and don’t actually need them like he did.
Yeah… always do what you accuse others of doing. boomer’s shit mindset