• terranoid@lemmy.cafe
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    5 days ago

    I fucking hate that we keep getting this “both sides bad” ideology, now “both sides deathcamp” ffs, right during Trump’s reign where we are seeing concentration camps and illegal wars right after a boring Biden presidency.

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      5 days ago

      It’s coming up to election season, so all the sabateuor bots are spinning up again to try and convince people like you not to vote.

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        4 days ago

        That’s why it’s the same 10 accounts in every fucking group. Same dudes, over and over, making the same illogical bad-faith arguments.

    • freagle@lemmy.ml
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      5 days ago

      The boring Biden presidency where kids we still being put in cages, where children were put in solitary confinement, where racialized mass incarceration in the US is still the worst in the world and including parole and supervision is triple the volume of any other country on the planet and with some of the worst recidivism and the only country charging prisoners hundreds of dollars a day? Boring like protecting Trump and the rest from DOJ prosecution over the Epstein situation? Boring like 1100 killed by police? Boring like bombing the Nord Stream 2 and bombing Yemen, Syria, and Iraq?

      This is what we mean. You are so far into harm reduction that you are literally incapable of understanding that Biden’s term was not boring but mass murderously tragic.

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      5 days ago

      Boring? There was and still is literally a genocide going on.

      But thanks for proving the meme right.

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          4 days ago

          My friend, read a bit of history, your whole society is based on genocide and exploitation.

          I am not defending trump nor biden because the whole country should be treated as the Chernobyl exclusion zone.

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          How many were active during biden’s campaign, how many did he not shut down?

          Why was nothing done about abortion rights?

          Why did he support (and not just “not being vocal” about) the israeli state during an active genocide?

          Your “blue team” is just as complicit.

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            I don’t think the person you’re replying to is defending Biden. It isn’t a defense of Biden’s failure to act to say that Trump is, quite obviously, worse in every aspect. It is insane to think otherwise because the genocide got WORSE under Trump.

            The point is that dipshits/losers/morons/accelerationists sit here and say both sides are bad, when one side is actively worse and they do not care that the one obviously worse side is killing multiple-folds more people while they pretend to smugly assert how good it must be to choose no evil while everyone else struggles to work with the hand they’ve been forcibly dealt.

            You let me know when you step up and assassinate a billionaire, alright, bud? I’ll respect your stance then.

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              Want to hear something interesting though? Trump is actually not worse than Obama in every way.

              Trump has deported 1.5 million people across all of his years in office so far. Want to guess how many Obama deported?

              3 million.

              So actually Trump is the lesser evil when it comes to deportations if you take this approach.

              The reality is that they’re both horrible but for different reasons.

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                I think that is a really gross thing to say from someone who didn’t pay attention to the ongoing rapes of children in ICE concentration camps. I think that’s a gross thing to say to the militarized presence of ICE kidnapping people as they left their court hearings to be here. I think that’s a gross thing to say to the people attacked by ICE for protecting their neighbors. I think that’s a gross thing to say to the people who got married and had to pick up their partner’s green card because they were arresting them and shipping them all over the country.

                To say that it’s a smaller number is insane because it treats immigrants not as people that are still suffering right now (I have neighbors that still can’t fucking go to work because ICE is still here), but as numbers and this one is smaller. That is such a dumb and pathetic argument that it shows you as hopelessly heartless or desperately dumb, and I don’t thing it matters which is worse.

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                  2 days ago

                  That’s literally what harm reducer less evil people are saying. “Dropping 50 bombs is better than dropping 51 bombs” and “50 concentration camps is better than 51”.

                  If you agree that reducing it down to just these raw numbers is disgusting, congratulations, you got the point! Lesser evil voting is pretty disgusting. Thank you for playing.

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                    You just said 1.5 million apples are better than 3 million oranges.

                    So, you’re not even right in that vein.

                    But, like, if they were the same degree wrong, 1.5 million would be better, right? Or do you disagree?

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              We don’t care about your respect, we don’t respect anything liberals do while defending empire and their shade of fascism

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                2 days ago

                “Everyone is a liberal that disagrees with me” is a great lie to tell yourself at night.

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          3 days ago

          Since you asked, Biden increased police, ICE, and detention center funding to their highest levels. Because of Biden’s 69 cop cities across the country local police and ICE are being trained by IDF, the same people that trained Derek Chauvin when he murdered James Floyd. Before he left office he requested an additional 42k detention center beds be created.

          Biden was enabling, paying for, and funding that genocide then denying there was one. Harris wanted the world most lethal military while reiterating Israel has a right to exist and rh is will protect their interests.