Again, no on is talking about refusing to vote. We’re talking about not spending all of our energy carrying water for fascist collaborators and calling it harm reduction.
You falling for the Good Cop / Bad Cop routine is not harm reduction.
We discussed this already. Yes, they are, and you claimed they had a good reason. It is in fact a terrible reason.
No one is talking about “spending all of our energy carrying water for fascist collaborators”. If you don’t have the energy to do more than one thing at a time, that’s a you problem.
We as a society don’t have the time to go door knocking for fascist collaborators who have not only done nothing to stop fascism but have actively created and supported the systems for it. You do not, in fact, need to go campaigning for Democrats with Tottenkopfs on their chest or who were attorneys general and had no problem enforcing the racist police system of the largest prison-industrial complex in the world. You can, in fact, just ignore those people and focus on things that actually get results
You keep saying that without any reasoning or evidence. You’re just bringing up other unrelated actions. You’re wrong, learn from it and adapt as a person. Repeating a lie over and over doesn’t change the reality.
You’re hilarious. agamemnon, you are making the claim for which there is no evidence. You are the one saying that voting and particularly voting for genocidal war criminal administrators of empire somehow slows fascism down.
Obama shows us that is fundamentally not the case. Trump’s entire operational and bureaucratic basis for deploying ICE into cities was created by Obama and Biden. Tom Homan, Trump’s main deportation guy, was appointed by Obama and was Obama’s main deportation guy. Trump is able to do what he’s doing literally because we voted in Obama and Biden.
And after Trump showed us what he and his team would do in Term 1, we voted in Biden and what happened? The Supreme Court gave the president total immunity to anything while in office. Biden decided to do literally nothing to stop Trump coming back to power. He had the Epstein files. He had the same witnesses. He had the immunity. He did nothing. He did worse than nothing, he refused to give Harris the time she needed to run an actual campaign, deliberately driving a nail into the coffin of that absolute shitshow of a campaign. And Biden was a KNOWN fascist. From th Crime Bill to his full-throated support for Israel and their genocide of the Palestinians. He was a fascist, and he oversaw a genocide. It never slowed down.
You’re relying on some counterfactual that if we hadn’t have had that Biden term it would have been worse, or if we hadn’t had those Obama terms, it would have been worse, but there’s no way to validate those claims, and all th evidence is that they actively support the trajectory and they completely abandon any responsibility to slow it down or stop it.
Again, no on is talking about refusing to vote. We’re talking about not spending all of our energy carrying water for fascist collaborators and calling it harm reduction.
You falling for the Good Cop / Bad Cop routine is not harm reduction.
We discussed this already. Yes, they are, and you claimed they had a good reason. It is in fact a terrible reason.
No one is talking about “spending all of our energy carrying water for fascist collaborators”. If you don’t have the energy to do more than one thing at a time, that’s a you problem.
We as a society don’t have the time to go door knocking for fascist collaborators who have not only done nothing to stop fascism but have actively created and supported the systems for it. You do not, in fact, need to go campaigning for Democrats with Tottenkopfs on their chest or who were attorneys general and had no problem enforcing the racist police system of the largest prison-industrial complex in the world. You can, in fact, just ignore those people and focus on things that actually get results
Terrible strategy. Do both. There is nothing to gain by not using every tool at our disposal.
Every fascist collaborator you spend labor on only brings us closer to fascism.
And every overt fascist you don’t vote against brings us closer to fascism and faster. I don’t know why this concept is so difficult to understand.
Because it’s just not true.
You keep saying that without any reasoning or evidence. You’re just bringing up other unrelated actions. You’re wrong, learn from it and adapt as a person. Repeating a lie over and over doesn’t change the reality.
You’re hilarious. agamemnon, you are making the claim for which there is no evidence. You are the one saying that voting and particularly voting for genocidal war criminal administrators of empire somehow slows fascism down.
Obama shows us that is fundamentally not the case. Trump’s entire operational and bureaucratic basis for deploying ICE into cities was created by Obama and Biden. Tom Homan, Trump’s main deportation guy, was appointed by Obama and was Obama’s main deportation guy. Trump is able to do what he’s doing literally because we voted in Obama and Biden.
And after Trump showed us what he and his team would do in Term 1, we voted in Biden and what happened? The Supreme Court gave the president total immunity to anything while in office. Biden decided to do literally nothing to stop Trump coming back to power. He had the Epstein files. He had the same witnesses. He had the immunity. He did nothing. He did worse than nothing, he refused to give Harris the time she needed to run an actual campaign, deliberately driving a nail into the coffin of that absolute shitshow of a campaign. And Biden was a KNOWN fascist. From th Crime Bill to his full-throated support for Israel and their genocide of the Palestinians. He was a fascist, and he oversaw a genocide. It never slowed down.
You’re relying on some counterfactual that if we hadn’t have had that Biden term it would have been worse, or if we hadn’t had those Obama terms, it would have been worse, but there’s no way to validate those claims, and all th evidence is that they actively support the trajectory and they completely abandon any responsibility to slow it down or stop it.