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Ahhhhh, but it isn’t labor, is it? It’s gambled resources with no inherent value, because there is no assured outcome.
So the cash value of a “token” is ???, calling it labor instead of extrusion makes you a mark.
Resources are just another state of labor value. The resources need extraction, the resources need refining, etc. All value is derived from labor. There is no value in a resource without labor. Labor makes those resources valuable by making it available for use.
A prompt doesn’t appear magically when you spend a token. A large amount of labor and resources went into the GPU that produces the output. That’s my point.
A “token” is just a currency conversion. You’re using USD (or other currency) to buy tokens to spend on getting access to the computation produced by the resources and means of production that are controlled by datacenter owning capitalist.
I can’t have a conversation with the unshared thoughts in your head. I’m not gonna assume what you even mean here if you’re not gonna spend more than a sentence to try to argue your vague analogy.
You disagreed that it “isn’t labor it is resources”. I described that resources are just another form of labor value. Do you agree? Do you disagree?
I’m gonna go on a limb and say that the guy with the username ‘BigTuffAI’ never intended to have a serious conversation related to AI anyway, and only wanted to bitch about how they hate AI.
I understand skepticism and consternation towards AI, but some people just don’t wanna have a real discussion and just wanna bitch.
True. But I wasn’t even discussing the AI part of it. I guess some people are so dense that they live in a world of binary positions. Disagreeing with their idea of “value” suddenly means I am pro AI or something in their mind. It’s kind of fascinating in a way.
Your premises aren’t correct enough to continue talking to you dude, I’m not going to unwind your assumption matrix for free instead of playing video games
Buddy, you’ve talked yourself into thinking a token is currency conversion. You’re a mark. Just go download polymarket and whatever VPN you heard about on your podcast and get to work enriching the rich.
Ahhhhh, but it isn’t labor, is it? It’s gambled resources with no inherent value, because there is no assured outcome. So the cash value of a “token” is ???, calling it labor instead of extrusion makes you a mark.
Resources are just another state of labor value. The resources need extraction, the resources need refining, etc. All value is derived from labor. There is no value in a resource without labor. Labor makes those resources valuable by making it available for use.
A prompt doesn’t appear magically when you spend a token. A large amount of labor and resources went into the GPU that produces the output. That’s my point.
A “token” is just a currency conversion. You’re using USD (or other currency) to buy tokens to spend on getting access to the computation produced by the resources and means of production that are controlled by datacenter owning capitalist.
Yeah bro and I pay my rent in lottery tickets
I can’t have a conversation with the unshared thoughts in your head. I’m not gonna assume what you even mean here if you’re not gonna spend more than a sentence to try to argue your vague analogy.
You disagreed that it “isn’t labor it is resources”. I described that resources are just another form of labor value. Do you agree? Do you disagree?
Make some minor effort if you’re gonna respond.
I’m gonna go on a limb and say that the guy with the username ‘BigTuffAI’ never intended to have a serious conversation related to AI anyway, and only wanted to bitch about how they hate AI.
I understand skepticism and consternation towards AI, but some people just don’t wanna have a real discussion and just wanna bitch.
True. But I wasn’t even discussing the AI part of it. I guess some people are so dense that they live in a world of binary positions. Disagreeing with their idea of “value” suddenly means I am pro AI or something in their mind. It’s kind of fascinating in a way.
Your premises aren’t correct enough to continue talking to you dude, I’m not going to unwind your assumption matrix for free instead of playing video games
I’d be surprised if you could even restate state what “my premise” is; let alone refute it. Enjoy Roblox.
Buddy, you’ve talked yourself into thinking a token is currency conversion. You’re a mark. Just go download polymarket and whatever VPN you heard about on your podcast and get to work enriching the rich.
You sound like you have big feelings and small words