President Donald Trump is openly hinting at taking over the midterm elections by declaring a national emergency.
Newsmax’s Wayne Allen Root interviewed Trump just after midnight Tuesday morning, and said that Trump had the right to declare a national security emergency next month, forcing through photo identification, proof of citizenship, limits on mail-in ballots, and other heavy voting restrictions. Trump seemed to like that suggestion, but didn’t want to tip his hand.
“Let me just say stranger things have happened, okay? I’ll leave it at that,” Trump said.
Trump is afraid of massive Republican losses in November’s midterms, and has been unsuccessfully pushing his allies in Congress to pass the draconian SAVE Act. With that appearing more unlikely each day, Democrats and other Trump critics are raising concerns that he may take drastic action, such as declaring a national emergency and maybe deploying legions of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to the polls.
In fact, Democrats have been trying for close to a year to get documents from the Department of Homeland Security regarding its policies and memos on sending ICE agents to polls. Agents were seen at polling places in Texas during its May primaries and in California in June, but when Democrats used the Freedom of Information Act to investigate, they were sent useless press clippings.
If Trump tries to invoke national security to take over federal elections, it would shatter precedent and could set off lawsuits and protests across the country. His repeated, disproven claims about voter fraud and rigged elections suggest that he’ll make the same excuses in November. The question is how to ensure a fair and accurate result that can stand up to his attacks.
It doesn’t matter. This is going to be like 2020, where the outrage was so strong that it overwhelmed all their cheating schemes. That’s why he’s so fixated on that race. He knows he cheated, and should have won. If Biden won, it can only mean that he must have cheated worse, so if he can find evidence of Dem cheating, it will be end of the Dems, and MAGA will be in power forever.
He can’t possibly believe that Biden had that many legal votes, because them he’d have to believe that he’s hated that much, and he thinks people love him.
It’s how a dumb 9 year-old thinks, but that’s Trump.
There is literally a quote by the buffoon that he hasn’t changed since first grade.
He has a compulsion to brag about his crimes.
Trump always lies about his accomplishments. He never lies about what he wants to do.
Just so we are clear, taking acts to directly impede the democratic process across the country.
That’s High Treason, right?
How are you all feeling about Democratic Socialist Francesca Hong’s last second loss to Crowley in the Wisconsin primary after five USBs had the “wrong info” and a huge vote dump at the end to give the establishment Dem the win despite trailing massively? Myself, I’m of the opinion we can’t trust our elections
I haven’t trusted our elections since 2000 when Bush stole Florida. Even as a child it was obvious something was wrong.
Agreed, I felt the same way.
C’mon father time! What the hell is keeping you. And bring your friend with the scythe.
If someone openly talks about plotting to commit crime, something should be done to stop them
it would shatter precedent and could set off lawsuits
Lawsuits would be useless at that point, absolute performance theater.
If Trump tries to invoke national security to take over federal elections, it would shatter precedent and could set off lawsuits and protests across the country
Oh no… not lawsuits and protests! That will spell doom for him. No way he could ever recover from that.
Ceuta in Spain was just a trial to see how fired up would be the public reaction. They managed to organize 60,000 young men to crush the border in Spain.
While trump is not in great terms with Mexico gov, he’s certainly in good terms with other fascists in South America. If he pull out something like this on the US land border 2x 3x times bigger would be enough for him to declare national security emergency.
They managed to organize 60,000 young men to crush the border in Spain.
Once it became clear that they would not be granted asylum or allowed passage to the mainland, the overwhelming majority voluntarily returned to Morocco, leaving roughly 2,000 non-Moroccan nationals (predominantly from sub-Saharan Africa and Asia) being processed in Ceuta
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Mods are cowards. But, for those wanting the context, I basicly said I’m aware of orange goons in my city I know where to find them and will do something about it if the orange does anything during election day. I understand that mods are protecting thier own hide, but remember this, you too will be sent to the camps regardless of how many times you take down any one “violent” post. The US is heading to civil unrest, you are going to see MUCH WORSE than just someone not respecting the life of rich assholes.
Yah more tough talk from an American shocker. If this happened your line would be moved down and it would be if he does , then I’ll act.
If he does this, it’s war
Americans have been putting up with stolen elections for a long fucking time. How many people are willing to get into a shooting battle with the ICE-aligned PD or chud-filled national guard over Republicans holding seats in states and districts they’ve been squatting in for decades?
Even if people are individually angry, there is no collective organization that opposes the current administration. At best, you have good hearted pacifists who play the game by the rules and get rolled every two years. At worst, a bunch of grifters and bait-and-switchers promising to take your money and votes for a sense of false hope, then blame civil rights groups and minority voting blocs for not fighting hard enough whenever they lose.
Sure, you can say you’re at war. But it’s you and what army? Name, rank, and serial number soldier.
Dude, did you not see the UNARMED woman standing up to ICE with a gun to her face?
You have no idea how fast a grass movement happens.
You’re not going to beat an ICE agents gun with your face. Let me know when it’s an armed woman.
You have no idea how fast a grass movement happens.
Occupy, Tea Party, BLM, Anti-vaxers, #MeToo, Palestine protests. Grassroots movement pop up fast and die out even faster.
Well then you shouldn’t stress over it anymore. Go curl up into a ball or whatever.
The Tea Party might be a bad example as they pretty successfully mainstreamed a whole bunch of crazies and got them elected. We’re still dealing with them. I wish any left movement had half the organization and backing the Tea Party did.
Also the Tea Party was an astroturf operation from its onset.
The Tea Party was an outgrowth of the '08 Ron Paul movement that got devoured from the inside out by neocons and tech fascists. And that was back in the '10s, years before Trump made his fateful run.
Yeah, people won under the Tea Party banner. But mostly empty suits like Paul Ryan and ethno-nationalists like Mike Lee. Your Thomas Massie types were always vanishingly few and far between.
Ron Paul is a racist crackpot
Enthusiastic crackpots are routinely the thin wedge used to divide low-information populations. Especially when the institutional leadership has grown complacent, corrupt, and incompetent.
The Bush/Obama Era was a historical string of policy failures by both major parties. They left enormous populations of deeply dissatisfied Americans in their wake, many of whom were ripe for exploitation.
Battle of Algiers style my bruh. individual actions that can’t be connected to a “group.” So what if no one is behind me. It’s live in a terrible nation and die because I’m gay and disabled or die fighting a fruitless battle. I choose the latter because that’s with in my control. I can’t speak for everyone, but I took the “you first” idea very seriously.
Damn right. A lot of these naysayers probably haven’t even knocked on their neighbor doors to build that organization. I mean I did, got a BBQ going, invited my neighbors and got to know them. Once I built rapport, I asked how they felt about ICE and if they would be interested in mutual defense in case they show up on our street. We have been stockpiling food, medicine, and ammunition since then.
Admittedly getting anybody to do more than though has been met with push back. Maybe that will change after midterms, maybe it won’t. Either way I’m with you, and agree that a way forward is individual actions that can’t be connected to a group. They started the war, and now the livestock who aren’t yet affected think that their chastisements matter. But really their opinion matters to me as little as it matters to their masters. Which is to say, not at all.
People who want brown, black, disabled and neurodivergent people to sit down and take it should be the first ones volunteering to be in a Concentration Camp. After all, according to them, it’s not a big enough deal to get violent over. So let’s see them prove it.
Battle of Algiers style my bruh. individual actions that can’t be connected to a “group.”
I’m sorry, what? It could absolutely be connected to the National Liberation Front. That’s who the French were trying to run down and were willing to torture half the damned city to find. Arguably, it was the French hyper-police response to the guerrilla group that sparked enough backlash to yield a national revolt.
Even then, the French haven’t properly decoupled from Algeria to this day. We’re a far cry from any kind of Battle for Algiers in this country, much less a multi-generational independent government grappling with the long history of humanitarian crimes perpetrated against our people.
I said style, not that the USA is like Algeria. I’m glad you read up on it at some point. But, the point is that groups are not forming because it’s abit too risky. Like, if a group did form, it’d be the wet dream of the dictatorship. A real scape goat. A real entity. Not the fake ones they make up. that’s why it has to be loose as fuck. Individuals doing things. Like the take down of flock cameras recently. That’s not a group, that’s individuals.
I would like everyone to unite, but sadly, too many are afraid. I am not. So I will be brave for them.
m glad you read up on it at some point.
One hell of a movie.
I would like everyone to unite, but sadly, too many are afraid
I might suggest it’s less an issue of fear than division. Getting people to work together is hard, especially when cynacism runs as high as narcacism.
I hear you, but, for sure it’s fear, even my most staunch liberal friends are saying that they are afraid. I will also agree that there is cynicism, but it’s the fallout flavor / flowey flavor. Absurdism is in on there somewhere. Nihilism has done a number on us. (Minor edit changed “Ai” mistype to “in” )
Don’t yuck other people’s yum
How many people are willing to get into a shooting battle with the ICE-aligned PD
Quite a few, if necessary to defend our rights. Why do you think they got run out of Minneapolis? People started barricading the street and doing armed patrols. In a number of other locations, people actually started shooting. Some were never apprehended, some got insane sentences. But stealing an election openly and shamelessly is a whole different ball game.
Even if people are individually angry, there is no collective organization that opposes the current administration.
Lmao wtf are you talking about? Are you just a liberal who never left the house? There is substantial organization against Trump’s Gestapo.
“stealing an election openly and shamelessly is a whole different thing”…yet, they still have support and zero repercussions after sending in a mob to kill cops and politicians in order to create a distraction for fake election officials with fake election documents to sneak into the certification process and overthrow the government.
Lmao wtf are you talking about? Look around you, they’ve done this before but now they have exponentially more control.
Also remember back in Trump’s first term when he kept ranting about election cheating and opened multiple investigations headed by his own hand picked people. Remember how all of them concluded that the only instances of domestic interference was exclusively done by Republicans and all instances of foreign interference were on behalf of the Republicans. Yeah nothing came of all that either, you are as delusional as maga.
“stealing an election openly and shamelessly is a whole different thing”…yet, they still have support and zero repercussions after sending in a mob to kill cops and politicians in order to create a distraction for fake election officials with fake election documents to sneak into the certification process and overthrow the government.
…because the party you’re so concerned with voting for did nothing to hold the chief architect accountable.
Ahh yes. Ask Washington DC how that’s working out. They have National Guard there posted and now have legal authority to do so until Jan of 2029. Trump has already said this will be part of the plan for national elections is to send ICE and National Guard to ensure ‘safe’ voting. If it’s not being dispelled in DC, or really anywhere (more people have been kicked out of the US than basically anytime in history), how do you actually expect things to be different?
ICE didn’t get ‘run’ out of Minneapolis, they finished their job, they nabbed 3400 people, and deported 1700 of them. Oh and killed a few Americans while they were at it. Minneapolis was about as effective at handling ICE as the BLM was at actually changing black policing in the US.
…Yeah, DC, just about the only place in the US that doesn’t require a governor’s approval or Insurrection Act criteria to be met in order to call in the National Guard. Great example, for sure, yeah man, totally gonna expand to the whole country.
ICE absolutely got run out of Minneapolis. Tf you mean they “finished their job”, do you think there are zero immigrants left to kidnap in the whole state?
You can keep crying and doomsaying and insisting we’re powerless, that’s what liberals are good for after all. The people actually in the streets (which I’m increasingly certain is not you) will hold it down, don’t worry. Not to mention Trump probably doesn’t even have the political capital to pull off a coup amongst his own base anymore.
…Yeah, DC, just about the only place in the US that doesn’t require a governor’s approval or Insurrection Act criteria to be met in order to call in the National Guard. Great example, for sure, yeah man, totally gonna expand to the whole country.
I think you are forgetting about the 26 states with GOP governors that would welcome having the national guard at polling stations. And yes, Trump has mentioned pulling the Insurrection Act, especially when there is commentary on this very page about armed resistance, most sites would immediately get any mention of that deleted.
ICE absolutely got run out of Minneapolis. Tf you mean they “finished their job”, do you think there are zero immigrants left to kidnap in the whole state?
Far fewer illegal immigrants? At least that’s what DHS says, so yes.
The people actually in the streets (which I’m increasingly certain is not you) will hold it down, don’t worry
Oh I am not worried at all, protests haven’t done anything effective in the last 20+ years in the US, I don’t suspect they will any time soon. So either buckle up and prepare for something bigger or shut up, because for some reason we got Trump twice and the guy is really looking to get himself or a puppet in for a third round as well.
Yes, Trump has mentioned many things he hasn’t done. Hypotheticals about GOP governors are just that: hypotheticals. And what are the National Guard going to do anyway? People can just show up and vote. If anything, it would probably motivate the “we should be at brunch and ignoring genocide” Kamala crowd even more.
Far fewer illegal immigrants? At least that’s what DHS says, so yes.
Well if they say so! And good thing they took all those vicious terrorists weaponizing their cars off the streets, too! Everyone knows DHS would never tell a lie.
They kidnapped plenty of people. Then they got run off.
protests haven’t done anything effective in the last 20+ years in the US
lmao you think by “in the streets” I mean No Kings protests? Privileged liberal for sure.
So either buckle up and prepare for something bigger or shut up
Seeing as you’re clearly incapable of the latter despite having no idea what you’re talking about, does “buckling up” solely entail whining about how powerless I am on Lemmy or is there more to it? Just want to be sure I’m following your instructions to the letter.
Good try at the rage baiting. You have a good life.
If it’s just them stationed at the polls and not doing anything else fishy, then there won’t be an armed anything. It’s only if the idiot orange does anything to cancel or rig it. If the national guard is just there to keep the peace and not influence voting, then what ever. we walk in and vote. If it’s anything else, it’s war.
So what you are saying is there is no reason for them to be there, because no one at polling stations is causing disruption or influence voting. ‘It’s ware’? Please define that a little better for all of us to hear.
Quite a few, if necessary to defend our rights.
This is a fantasy.
the problem isn’t that people won’t, it’s that people don’t want to be the crazed lone gun man.
one of the reasons i hate no kings, among a TON of issues. it’s their stance on armed protesting. they are organized around cooperating with police to ‘other’ anyone they find is armed, but armed protestors is not to stand there with a conceal carry you are not going to draw, it’s to stand there with your weapon out as an open threat to tyrants. you need solidarity.
i kinda believe that no kings is not there to do anything but provide a circus, so that people who would otherwise protest with leverage, gets corraled with the group that would stop protesting because the police tell them to go home.
if you protest with a gun by your self, you will be charged with branishing, if you are white… worse if you are not.
I mean the 50501 OG leadership got ousted pretty early on in the movement, by what seemed to be DNC “centrist” types, which is why the 50501movement reddit got made by the OG leadership afterwards. So I do find it believable that No Kings was meant to waste our energy and frustrations so we didn’t do anything truly effective with that energy.
the largest national protest in america, and it didn’t even make the news other then as a foot note punctuating trumps fucking birthday military parade.
and the goal? to show everyone how mad we were and to back the democratic centrist. it was a fucking joke and a waste of my fucking day. it angered me that such potential was wasted. no demands, no leverage, no threat, just everyone waving a flag. the police didn’t even bother to show up. a disgrace
It was fun to show up in keffiyehs and watch the old libs clutch their pearls, at least.
And to pass out anti-ICE info to middle-aged and older folks who may not have necessarily been aware of those resources.
But yeah fuck No Kings.
Yup, if your “protest” doesn’t have the background of potential violence when your needs aren’t met. That’s a parade not a protest. Something that a lot of these “pacifist” types either don’t understand, or choose to ignore. The whole point of a protest is to show you’re a threat, that things will go poorly if we can’t negotiate in good faith.
they are organized around cooperating with police
One might even suspect they are organized as a means of building solidarity with the police. That the police (and the national guard and the military at-large) are positioned as a neutral unbiased arbiter, and not a reactionary gang leveraged by private industry to intimidate and displace the working class.
i kinda believe that no kings is not there to do anything but provide a circus
Definitely felt like it was a manufactured outlet for dissent. Especially when you had those protests in Europe that had to be rebranded as “No Tyrants”, for fear of offending actual kings.
working with police is at odds with any momentum building. such attitudes is akin to asking the tyrant to stop being mean, if he has time. acab because any cop who would hold themselves or their co workers accountable are removed as traitors for their actual reason for existing, one they have been enforcing since their inception.
if police were interested in a shared solidarity, they have to start acting like it. it’s a two way street, but the cops are out rocking the punisher logo as they frame their chosen sacrifice for felony assault. until they start holding their worst accountable to the same degree they hold everyone else, any protest that is not being brutally attacked by them is either an armed protest, or an adult daycare!
…You left the part out of your quote where I specified examples of it already happening
willing to get into a shooting battle with the ICE-aligned PD
Very big assumption that it’d just be a shooting battle. It’d probably be more like car bombs. Think Ireland during the troubled times.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
News at 6: Trump and his Heritage Foundation pals do more illegal shit with zero repercussions.
Establishment politicians: We fOlLow the LawS, dRasTic mEasUrEs are AntI-aMeRicAn!
Trump and Co.:
They’ve been openly talking about this for a decade, Trump himself has said this exact thing dozens of times.
As a former National Guard officer I am concerned that the Guard will be turned on us and most of the Guardsman will not push back. I live in the South and I know most of the state governors will do nothing. I hope the blue state governors do something. I hope the Guardsman remember their oath. I am not hopeful. Prepare for the worst.
I hope the blue state governors do something.
glancing from Tim Walz to Gavin Newsom to Josh Shapiro
I wouldn’t hold my breath.
This isn’t shocking and has been floated around the real question how will people respond to it. It doesn’t help they gave him that semi king status where anything as a Presidential act is fine to do.
