No, I’m pointing out the hypocrisy in you pretending to know what it is to be desperate, that you can judge others in such a position.
I ain’t justifying diddly squat.
Edit: For clarification, watching the fall of the American empire in real time is both amusing and enlightening. Hopefully, it happens fast enough that I get to see the end result.
Financially a bit better, mentally much better, but it really was an easy choice. It was uncomfortable and cold and mentally and physically exhausting and I survived without having to sacrifice a single person. I really don’t want to do it again, but if I was forced to make the same choice now I’d still make the same one.
Would that choice have been as easy if you had your own children to consider? Would it have been so easy to make your own children and spouse homeless too?
The point is everyone is susceptible given the right circumstances. The system is literally designed to create desperation, and to keep ratcheting that up until people relent.
By all means try and convince people not to give in. Support them and help them, try to ensure they don’t reach their breaking point. But don’t try and pretend that desperation to escape their given shitshow isn’t what drives a lot of recruitment.
Edit: I do deeply respect your strength of conviction in your own choices though, and I want to make that clear. You are an exceptional example, and one to be lauded. 💛
No, spouses and children don’t change the equation, especially as I’d never marry someone who wouldn’t divorce their spouse if they joined the kill foreigners society. Safety bought with the lives of others isn’t safety, it makes you an acceptable target.
I would say none, but the closest to desperation I’ve personally been was scrounging for coal that fell off the train to the docks when we as a family couldn’t afford to buy it. (No coal, no heat, no hot water, etc.)
I can imagine though, that watching my own children cry from the cold and hunger. Watching my own flesh and blood get thinner and weaker and being otherwise powerless to help them might make me consider rather strongly the paycheck offered by anyone at all.
That you apparently can’t imagine any scenario that would give you personally (and therefore by extension anyone else), cause to consider doing heinous things for money is bizarre.
Great. Awesome. Now how many of these fictional scenario’s apply to actual US soldiers? You’re imagining all kinds of fictional scenario’s in your head to excuse these people which are actually mostly just middle-class people for becoming career child-murderers because they’re somehow the most oppressed demographic in the world.
I bet you can imagine Russian soldiers in that position. Why not Americans?
There are plenty of places in the US where abject poverty reigns supreme, same as Russia. Factor in the ever present propaganda, and their fate was never their own, sadly.
I bet you can imagine Russian soldiers in that position. Why not Americans?
Not the person you were asking, but pretending as if the USian/NATO military isn’t the most vile on the planet is silly.
There are plenty of places in the US where abject poverty reigns supreme
Notably, the USian “poverty draft” is a myth.
Factor in the ever present propaganda, and their fate was never their own, sadly.
You are excusing grown-ass monsters’ atrocities because they bought the propaganda as if they had no mind of their own to think that killing foreigners for oil is bad.
No, I’m pointing out the hypocrisy in you pretending to know what it is to be desperate, that you can judge others in such a position.
I ain’t justifying diddly squat.
Edit: For clarification, watching the fall of the American empire in real time is both amusing and enlightening. Hopefully, it happens fast enough that I get to see the end result.
I had the option to join the military and chose homelessness. It’s actually really easy to do the right thing even when you’re desperate.
Now that’s worth a salute, comrade 🫡
I hole you’re in a better spot now.
Financially a bit better, mentally much better, but it really was an easy choice. It was uncomfortable and cold and mentally and physically exhausting and I survived without having to sacrifice a single person. I really don’t want to do it again, but if I was forced to make the same choice now I’d still make the same one.
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Would that choice have been as easy if you had your own children to consider? Would it have been so easy to make your own children and spouse homeless too?
The point is everyone is susceptible given the right circumstances. The system is literally designed to create desperation, and to keep ratcheting that up until people relent.
By all means try and convince people not to give in. Support them and help them, try to ensure they don’t reach their breaking point. But don’t try and pretend that desperation to escape their given shitshow isn’t what drives a lot of recruitment.
Edit: I do deeply respect your strength of conviction in your own choices though, and I want to make that clear. You are an exceptional example, and one to be lauded. 💛
No, spouses and children don’t change the equation, especially as I’d never marry someone who wouldn’t divorce their spouse if they joined the kill foreigners society. Safety bought with the lives of others isn’t safety, it makes you an acceptable target.
What level of desperation allows murdering children as a career?
I would say none, but the closest to desperation I’ve personally been was scrounging for coal that fell off the train to the docks when we as a family couldn’t afford to buy it. (No coal, no heat, no hot water, etc.)
I can imagine though, that watching my own children cry from the cold and hunger. Watching my own flesh and blood get thinner and weaker and being otherwise powerless to help them might make me consider rather strongly the paycheck offered by anyone at all.
That you apparently can’t imagine any scenario that would give you personally (and therefore by extension anyone else), cause to consider doing heinous things for money is bizarre.
Great. Awesome. Now how many of these fictional scenario’s apply to actual US soldiers? You’re imagining all kinds of fictional scenario’s in your head to excuse these people which are actually mostly just middle-class people for becoming career child-murderers because they’re somehow the most oppressed demographic in the world.
I bet you can imagine Russian soldiers in that position. Why not Americans?
There are plenty of places in the US where abject poverty reigns supreme, same as Russia. Factor in the ever present propaganda, and their fate was never their own, sadly.
Not the person you were asking, but pretending as if the USian/NATO military isn’t the most vile on the planet is silly.
Notably, the USian “poverty draft” is a myth.
You are excusing grown-ass monsters’ atrocities because they bought the propaganda as if they had no mind of their own to think that killing foreigners for oil is bad.
What you think I’m gonna cry for Wagner mercenaries robbing Africa or something?