We all know how much they hate libs, it’s their most-used pejorative. To be fair though, establishment liberals (eg Schumer) are part of the reason we’re in this mess… I can’t say I hold them in high regard either.
I’m not from the US, so I might be misinterpreting something, but I imagine that it stems from a sentiment that liberalism is inherently in favor of the status quo and capitalism, which makes sense from a materialist perspective, and thus liberalism would be a bourgeois conservative ideology, under that interpretation. A view that I also tend to share, mind you.
Yes but most tankies seem to hate centrist neoliberal Dems worse than they hate maga republicans. And they consider DSA to be centrist neolibs like the rest if the democratic party.
They’d rather see a trump third term than a Dem or even DSA president.
Not sure what you’re intending to accomplish by saying that or how it applies to what I said. But I wouldn’t call him great. Influential, yes, infamous, also yes. But not great.
Unless you consider Hitler to be a “great man,” but honestly trump is closer to Mussolini (although he wishes he could be like Hitler). Hitler accomplished more than trump could dream of. Evil, repugnant, and deplorable, yes. But effective, without a doubt.
And I also wouldn’t say it’s accidental. He views himself as a “great man,” and tries to do what he thinks a great man would. But everything he does is what a small man would, because he has the mind of a small man. He just happens to have fallen into a life of privilege which surrounded him with the people and wealth necessary to achieve what he has. Anyone placed in his shoes could have accomplished as much and more, and done it better.
So no, he’s not an “accidental great man.” He’s a failed attempt at greatness which happens to have caused immense destruction to everything and everyone except for his corrupt inner circle which is profiting off of that destruction. If that’s what “greatness” is to you, then we don’t see eye-to-eye.
Uhh no, America is a country founded on genocide and slavery, and continues to do both to this day. Dozens of illegal wars of aggression and coups and countless human rights violations. Not to mention the effect the country has had on the biosphere and climate. The faster the US loses its global hegemonic status and hopefully balkanizes, the better off the rest of the planet will be.
Trump is accelerating the downfall of America, therefore he is an accidental great man of history.
Your logic is that trump, who epitomizes everything that’s wrong with america, and is deliberately provoking and permitting the evil that has always lurked within it, and is causing widespread suffering and devastation throughout the world, at home as well as abroad, is somehow redeemable because he’s accelerating the destruction of the US, dismantling its institutions which represent its only redeeming qualities, and destabilizing the tenuous balance that has only ever existed during its best times?
Not surprising at all for an .ml user. You don’t care if the world suffers as long as you get to watch america burn. Do you not realize that if trump succeeds in destroying the US government as an institution, then whatever ends up replacing it is likely to be far, far worse?
Fake-leftist accelerationist will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify supporting maga, while simultaneously trashing every progressive who runs for office.
Trump is a symptom of America’s evil lol, not the cause of it. I would argue he is the most American American.
You know there was plans for a Canadian invasion for decades before trump was in power? The acceleration of the genocide in Gaza happened under Dem leadership. Your foreign policy has always been death and destruction. The faster you collapse, the better off the rest of the planet will be.
Trump is a symptom of America’s evil lol, not the cause of it.
I never said he was the cause of america’s evil. If he’s a symptom though then that’s a pretty weak argument for naming him a “great man”. But I don’t really expect argumentative consistency from .ml users anymore.
I would argue he is the most American American.
I literally said he epitomizes everything that’s wrong with the country, so you’re not contradicting me.
You know there was plans for a Canadian invasion for decades before trump was in power?
Source?
The faster you collapse, the better off the rest of the planet will be.
You have no clue what would replace it, and no reason to believe it wouldn’t be far worse.
They don’t really, it’s just that’s what you see in leftist spaces. Really they are just state-sponsered shit-stirrers interested in driving as many wedges between Americans (not exclusively, but America is a big target for geopolitical reasons) as they can. They are worse than zealots; they are unprincipled opportunistic FUD machines.
MAGA is a mix of true believers and grifters. I think that’s true of all cults, MAGA’s just the one I have the most firsthand experience with. Sometimes it’s hard to tell which is which. Generally, the true believers are the ones losing money and the grifters are the ones gaining, but occasionally a true believer makes it to the top. I think Marjorie Taylor Greene is one example, though IDK I don’t know her personally so she might just be a competent grifter.
You’re forgetting how tankies hate liberals.
which is why idiot liberals now call anyone not subscribed to continuing their decades of failure a tankie
We all know how much they hate libs, it’s their most-used pejorative. To be fair though, establishment liberals (eg Schumer) are part of the reason we’re in this mess… I can’t say I hold them in high regard either.
I’m not from the US, so I might be misinterpreting something, but I imagine that it stems from a sentiment that liberalism is inherently in favor of the status quo and capitalism, which makes sense from a materialist perspective, and thus liberalism would be a bourgeois conservative ideology, under that interpretation. A view that I also tend to share, mind you.
Yes but most tankies seem to hate centrist neoliberal Dems worse than they hate maga republicans. And they consider DSA to be centrist neolibs like the rest if the democratic party.
They’d rather see a trump third term than a Dem or even DSA president.
Trump is collapsing American hegemony around the globe, making him an accidental great man of history.
Not sure what you’re intending to accomplish by saying that or how it applies to what I said. But I wouldn’t call him great. Influential, yes, infamous, also yes. But not great.
Unless you consider Hitler to be a “great man,” but honestly trump is closer to Mussolini (although he wishes he could be like Hitler). Hitler accomplished more than trump could dream of. Evil, repugnant, and deplorable, yes. But effective, without a doubt.
And I also wouldn’t say it’s accidental. He views himself as a “great man,” and tries to do what he thinks a great man would. But everything he does is what a small man would, because he has the mind of a small man. He just happens to have fallen into a life of privilege which surrounded him with the people and wealth necessary to achieve what he has. Anyone placed in his shoes could have accomplished as much and more, and done it better.
So no, he’s not an “accidental great man.” He’s a failed attempt at greatness which happens to have caused immense destruction to everything and everyone except for his corrupt inner circle which is profiting off of that destruction. If that’s what “greatness” is to you, then we don’t see eye-to-eye.
Uhh no, America is a country founded on genocide and slavery, and continues to do both to this day. Dozens of illegal wars of aggression and coups and countless human rights violations. Not to mention the effect the country has had on the biosphere and climate. The faster the US loses its global hegemonic status and hopefully balkanizes, the better off the rest of the planet will be.
Trump is accelerating the downfall of America, therefore he is an accidental great man of history.
Your logic is that trump, who epitomizes everything that’s wrong with america, and is deliberately provoking and permitting the evil that has always lurked within it, and is causing widespread suffering and devastation throughout the world, at home as well as abroad, is somehow redeemable because he’s accelerating the destruction of the US, dismantling its institutions which represent its only redeeming qualities, and destabilizing the tenuous balance that has only ever existed during its best times?
Not surprising at all for an .ml user. You don’t care if the world suffers as long as you get to watch america burn. Do you not realize that if trump succeeds in destroying the US government as an institution, then whatever ends up replacing it is likely to be far, far worse?
Fake-leftist accelerationist will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify supporting maga, while simultaneously trashing every progressive who runs for office.
Trump is a symptom of America’s evil lol, not the cause of it. I would argue he is the most American American.
You know there was plans for a Canadian invasion for decades before trump was in power? The acceleration of the genocide in Gaza happened under Dem leadership. Your foreign policy has always been death and destruction. The faster you collapse, the better off the rest of the planet will be.
I never said he was the cause of america’s evil. If he’s a symptom though then that’s a pretty weak argument for naming him a “great man”. But I don’t really expect argumentative consistency from .ml users anymore.
I literally said he epitomizes everything that’s wrong with the country, so you’re not contradicting me.
Source?
You have no clue what would replace it, and no reason to believe it wouldn’t be far worse.
I mean… Sometimes, it’s easier to hate those who lie about being progressive, than those who tell the truth about being reactionaries.
Okay but lumping DSA in with th centrist establishment Dems is counterproductive
They don’t really, it’s just that’s what you see in leftist spaces. Really they are just state-sponsered shit-stirrers interested in driving as many wedges between Americans (not exclusively, but America is a big target for geopolitical reasons) as they can. They are worse than zealots; they are unprincipled opportunistic FUD machines.
Yeah, that’s the only explanation that makes sense. No one could be as irrational as tankies.
Oh wait, maga fascists are that irrational and it seems genuine.
I’m tired, boss…
MAGA is a mix of true believers and grifters. I think that’s true of all cults, MAGA’s just the one I have the most firsthand experience with. Sometimes it’s hard to tell which is which. Generally, the true believers are the ones losing money and the grifters are the ones gaining, but occasionally a true believer makes it to the top. I think Marjorie Taylor Greene is one example, though IDK I don’t know her personally so she might just be a competent grifter.
Truth. It’s a religion.
There are no liberals, only neoliberals.