Family members were in tears during the hearing at Cheshire Coroner’s Court as Coroner Jacqueline Devonish announced that she found Lucy Harrison died due to unlawful killing on the grounds of gross negligence manslaughter.
The coroner said: "To shoot her through the chest whilst she was standing would have required him to have been pointing the gun at his daughter, without checking for bullets, and pulling the trigger.
When called to court to testify coroners do absolutely give their opinion about the deaths.
Also reminds me of Gary Webb’s coronor saying there is a “distinct possibility” that someone could shoot themselves twice in the head. And he wasn’t even in court
I don’t understand what this is intended to prove?
Coroners can have opinions but @village604@adultswim.fan is correct they don’t determine whether its lawful or not… that is literally the point of the court case.
Okay so what point are you making? The coroner didn’t determine lawfulness, the court did. He just offered his opinion, as coroners do, about the actions that killed the woman.
My point is that the coroner’s opinion isn’t an official determination of whether the death was lawful.
The opinion here was basically that the wounds didn’t match the defendant’s story. That’s not determining the lawfulness of the death, although it’s likely good evidence towards that determination.
I think the fact that she is dead prove the unlawfullness of her death. Unless you can tell me a story where an unarmed person could be lawfully shot in the chest. The unlawfulness description isn’t why most people are upset about this story.
Words mean different things in different contexts. A legal finding is different than a coroner’s findings and a coroner’s opinion is different than a judges legal opinion. A coroner saying something is unlawful is different than a judge saying something is unlawful.
They kinda do. There are five possible causes of death: homicide, suicide, accidental, natural causes, and unknown. All deaths not determined to be accidental or natural require a police investigation.
Coroners don’t determine whether a death is lawful or not…
Yeah, still. Coroner determines cause of death and manner of death. Not what the charges are.
This is a statement from a court case though.
When called to court to testify coroners do absolutely give their opinion about the deaths.
Also reminds me of Gary Webb’s coronor saying there is a “distinct possibility” that someone could shoot themselves twice in the head. And he wasn’t even in court
An opinion is not the same as an official determination.
I don’t understand what this is intended to prove?
Coroners can have opinions but @village604@adultswim.fan is correct they don’t determine whether its lawful or not… that is literally the point of the court case.
In many to jurisdictions, the coroner is the only person with the authority to arrest the sheriff and is an elected position.
This kind of thing tends to work completely differently depending upon municipality, county, and state.
And in Texas the coroner doesn’t. They determine cause of death.
A DA or jury determines lawfulness.
Okay so what point are you making? The coroner didn’t determine lawfulness, the court did. He just offered his opinion, as coroners do, about the actions that killed the woman.
My point is that the coroner’s opinion isn’t an official determination of whether the death was lawful.
The opinion here was basically that the wounds didn’t match the defendant’s story. That’s not determining the lawfulness of the death, although it’s likely good evidence towards that determination.
I think the fact that she is dead prove the unlawfullness of her death. Unless you can tell me a story where an unarmed person could be lawfully shot in the chest. The unlawfulness description isn’t why most people are upset about this story.
In Texas it’s legal to shoot a thief in the back as they’re fleeing.
And I wasn’t speaking to what most people were upset about; I was nitpicking because 2/3 of OP’s excerpts were about the coroner.
Words mean different things in different contexts. A legal finding is different than a coroner’s findings and a coroner’s opinion is different than a judges legal opinion. A coroner saying something is unlawful is different than a judge saying something is unlawful.
They kinda do. There are five possible causes of death: homicide, suicide, accidental, natural causes, and unknown. All deaths not determined to be accidental or natural require a police investigation.
That still isn’t a determination of lawfulness. Homicide just means a person killed a person.
The DA or jury determines lawfulness.