Certainly, the asswipe MAGA father, will turn into a born again fucknut Christian Nationalist. The Texas Oblast continues to shit on itself through the courts.
I thought coroners only determined the cause of death, not the legality of the death. Natural causes, accident, suicide maybe only self inflicted, and homicide. Not all homicides are unlawful.
Should have prosecuted it as an abortion.
Fascism is alive and well in Texass.
So because of this precedent, can just anybody shoot their daughter then claim “oopsie daisy, your honor” and get away?
Luckily No, and sadly this is exactly how the system is meant to work. The grand jury did its job as intended, deciding if an action is even seen as a potential crime, and clearly in texas the people don’t see this as a crime.
Only if she was one of those commie liberals, and you did it to defend Supreme Leader.
Babies expect to be fed and housed and cleaned up after without contributing in any meaningful way, so according to conservatives, they must be 100% commie
Being Pro-life is about having variety of people to kill. Make sense. The fact that they believe in Jesus or Allah tells you a lot about religion, who believe in that nonsense and why.
So this is actually about gun control and not Trump. We all agree that you should not have access to a gun if you’re insane. But we also agree that alcohol gives you diminished capacity. We can’t have guns and booze ever.
It’s important to also remember that fascists construct queer people as insane, and it’s completely reasonable for even an insane queer person to shoot an armed fascist. Would they not deserve a little tequila shot before and after, as a treat?
Just goes to show you how gullible people are and so many people are waiting for someone else to save them. MAGA is exactly that. They wanted racism back and the possibility of the american dream is still possible in their eyes. They ignore the writing on the wall to believe what they want to believe and finally found someone just as jaded as they are, but he happens to run the country.
Living in the south, you see just how dumb most people are and they refuse to pay attention to anything related to the government or the country. They are too distracted with gambling, alcohol/drug addictions, social media, work, kids, movies and tv shows, etc.
Everything’s bigger in Texas, including the raging stupidity and lack of respect.
Texas is a deeply cruel place
I’ll never understand the appeal and hold Trump has on the minds of weak men who worship him. This man killed his own daughter is insane.
Decades of lies and crumbling control over their material lives and social status.
Imagine you were abused by most of your adults in your life. They would hit you, demean you, restrict what you ate, who you could love, what you could say, and also expect that you must, at risk of your own life, become “a man” too. You must work your life away to achieve something great, you must provide for your family, you must create a legacy or you actually deserved that abuse you suffered from. Now every year you get poorer no matter how much you work. You see your family less day after day as they get sucked into a life of constant work. You can’t be sad though that’s unmanly. It can’t be someone who is “succesfuls” fault because you are “the man” the master of the universe, just like the rich and powerful or else you are a loser that deserves abuse and ridicule.
So you watch the news, your civic duty, and they tell you that people out there want to make you less then nothing. They want to strip being man of prestige (and with that do you really have anything). They want to strip hard work of its value (and if everyone just got what they needed what was those decades of abuse for?)! But you know you wouldnt just be nothing then, youd be less then that. You would be a loser, a life spent as a joke, and worthless.
Trump, like you, is a strong successful man. You and him can fight together to stop the woke feminazis from destroying your family. Stop the immigrants from invading your home and making you poor and insignificant. He’s not perfect sure, but he’s fighting for you, the only part of you that matters, the only part you know you still have left.
Even better your new allies give you something else, a miracle tonic for the parts of you you ignore and ache. Enemies and the constant reassurance that everything, and I mean everything is their fault. You, like a man ought to, can fight a tangible threat and be a warrior. You just have to tell your self “they are lying to manipulating everyone else”. When your wife threatens your leadership role as the man? Thats the enemies’ lies. When HR threaten your lively hood? The enemy. When you children avoid you? The enemy.
You don’t have to reccon with anything. You’re not abuse. They’re soft. Your parents were harder on you, and look at you. Not just a man. A warrior. Willing to sacrifice everything, for not just your family, or country, but for civilization maybe even part of holy war on the side of supreme good!
It’s thought terminating. Decades of lies and abuse to justify decades of being and commiting abuse. Yes they need therapy. They need to have a space to actually learn to see themselves as humans worthy of love and a part of a great web of connections with people that both can love them and they themselves deserve love as well. They also need real tangible material improvement. You might be able to therapy people out of status demands like big house, boat, big truck, and those are huge costs on the average American household, but so is healthcare, food, and training to stay employable (which we call education in the states).
Sorry for the rant.
Human psychology and propaganda. It works on smart people too.
People keep saying that, but 1) having a degree is not a sign of someone’s general intelligence, not even close, and 2) it absolutely has a greater effect the dumber you are.
Intelligence is curiosity and being able to have a greater degree of nuance in your thinking. It’s being self-aware, and about being able to understand transferable properties. A LOT of people, regardless of education, struggle deeply with those concepts.
Lead pipes, sub-par educational system, peee pressure, propaganda machine, social media bubble, being a shitty human being to begin with
Weak persons, get with the program.
Making the case for gun control whilst trying to protect the 2nd amendment, the irony is overwhelming
He claimed he had a conversation about guns with his daughter and she asked to see the gun, having never discussed his gun ownership with him before.
In the statement, Kris Harrison, who admitted drinking wine earlier in the day, said: “As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang. I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell.”
He told police who attended the scene: “We got it out to have a look and just as I picked it up it just went off.”
The inquest heard a grand jury in the US had determined there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone in connection with Lucy Harrison’s death.
Well. I guess the moral of the story is do not visit the USA.
How to get away with murder. Say “Look at this gun. Whoops.”
So much for guns don’t to kill people. I guess, when it’s convenient, the gun can commit the crime all on its own and everyone in the room is innocent including the man holding the weapon. Who knew.
the gun can commit the crime all on its own and everyone in the room is innocent
“counting or not counting gang violence?”
He just straight up murdered his daughter and they bought the story “I dunno officer, it just went off”. It’s bullshit on a whole other level. Guns don’t just “go off” unless it was an sks it took a decision. And that decision was that he loves trump more than his daughter. As a veteran, a gun owner and a parent, that sickens me more than just about anything you could conjure up from history.
I honestly hope this dude kills himself. Do the world a favor.
But he’s MAGA, so I wouldn’t count on guilt/shame. And I’m sure Jesus will forgive him, and it’ll just become part of his “testimony”
Honestly if you handle a gun there should always some form of punishment. Don’t know the legal system there but something like reckless killing. No matter how it happened. To kill someone you need to do a lot of things wrong and it does not just happen.
Yeah, you’re violating multiple of the basic gun safety rules if a gun accidentally goes off and kills someone. (p320 excluded)
If those aren’t so drilled into your mind that it’s instinct not to violate them, you aren’t responsible enough to have a gun.
Handle a gun and hurt someone*
Fully agree, it should be automatic jail time.
Well except that one time I got punched by the slide rail but we don’t need to go into that.
Hell, even if someone else hurts someone with your gun you should still be liable. Unless they broke in to your house, broke into your safe, and got your lock off, but that’s very unlikely to happen.
Even if the gun did “just go off”, he was the one pointing it at her.
At the very least it should be manslaugther for negligence
That’s exactly right. Even if it were true (it isn’t) he still fucked up in several ways.
The plausibility of this story is 0. “I hate trump, sure, I’ll go take a look at your gun, why not?” Nothing in this story tracks.
Serious question here, are guns allowed to be stored loaded in the United States? Gun laws here are really strict, guns are not stored loaded. To the point where while hunting you’re supposed to keep the gun clear right up until you intend to shoot the game. Then immediately clear it when you’re done. Not that everyone follows that rule but it’s there. The idea of putting a gun away still loaded is insane and this would be a slam dunk case here on that alone.
Storing them loaded? There are Americans who keep loaded rifles/shotguns right next to their front door.
There are basically no rules about firearms in the US because the gun lobby has successfully convinced the majority of Americans that any gun legislation, no matter how reasonable or well intentioned it may be, is an encroachment on their constitutional rights.
Special thanks to Antonin Scalia for his bullshit opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller
Never mind the fact that when the gun control laws were originally written, to shoot a gun twice within 5 minutes was considered fast reloading.
Yes, USians are allowed to store guns loaded.
Well. I guess the moral of the story is do not visit the USA.
As a Canadian, way ahead of you. Never setting foot in that cesspool of a country ever again.
Can you adopt me I hate it here
I think about this girl all the time. Her own father shot her over Trump. Trump. I just can’t wrap my head around it. Or around the jury deciding to just let him go. There’s corruption there somewhere.
To be fair, it’s hard to prove causality.
Maybe he shot his own daughter because he loves Trump.
Maybe he loves Trump, because he’s the kind of man who would shoot his own daughter.
Maybe it’s a bit of both.
That’s because MAGA people are rabid dogs
No, worse, they are rabid humans.
Back during his first term there was a story on the Risk podcast where an Asian guy told the story of going home after some time away at college and visiting the family that adopted him when he was a baby; and how, when he said he didn’t support Trump, that family almost beat him to death right there in the living room. It was one of the most heartbreaking stories I’ve ever heard in my entire life. I think about that shit a lot.
I’m not sure how we’re supposed to ever move forward sharing a country with these people. Regardless of who is in charge after Trump. It’s untenable. These people cannot accept the basics of our shared reality. Talking like fundamental shit.
I never understood, until recently, why re-education camps have existed at various points. Now I get it.
Grand juries exist to make sure the norms of law enforcement and prosecution don’t stray too far from the common populace.
It’s why the guy who threw the sandwich at the CPB guy about a year ago did not end up with a felony.
However, it cuts both ways. I don’t know if I believe TX is really about to flip purple because shit like this is common. Ask the protesters sentanced to life as terrorists for moving a box or leaving an ICE protest early.
Tribalism has always been a thing in human societies. We’re at the phase we’re finding out how it operates within a democracy.
Surprisingly, or not, it’s even easier than before.
That’s a funny way of saying murdered…
Literally sharia law honor killings.
We have lost texas
They don’t see sharia law as evil or unjust, they see it as competition to their own authoritarianism. Right idea, wrong religion (barely lol)
Right cult, different sect.
You give them way too much credit. Most of them don’t know what Sharia Law actually is.
I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. This is also just as well the end result of doublespeak.
“Unlawfully killed”
“Shot dead”
“Possible manslaughter”
It’s MURDER.
“Unlawfully killed” is some backbreaking doublespeak.
Imagine a headline that reads “Health insurance company CEO unlawfully killed by a nearby armed pedestrian.”
How much did you actually read about the case?
The killer claims it accidentally went off.
Even so, this is the kind of thing you need a proper trial to determine culpability. “He said it was an accident” after they had gotten in a heated argument and he lead her away to the gun room. His testimony absolutely not be taken for truth. And even if it was an accident theres definitely a case there for reckless endangerment/manslaughter. So I think the outrage at this news is justified
Reckless endangerment / manslaughter is a bare minimum. You’d have to violate multiple basic safety rules for this to happen even following his story
You can’t just load and chamber and fire a gun by fucking accident. Oh whoops the slide pulled back by accident, and I accidentally had my finger on the trigger, then I accidentally pulled all the way past the resistance of the firing pin. Nope. You murdered her.
Wait up, he accidentally had the safety off and accidentally pointed it in direction of his own daughter. They do say for an accident lots of things have to line up perfectly.
So I can see why the jury saw that his daughter accidentally having the opposite political views to her dad was immaterial to their judgment.
Dude still has to process completely pushed away grief though, so he’s got to be fun to be around for the rest of his life.
Very bold assumption that this isn’t the type of guy to keep several loaded and chambered guns lying around ready to fire. Almost certainly is
Accidentally picking up, pointing and firing however seems less than believable
Accidentally picking up, pointing and firing however seems less than believable
He didn’t accidentally pick it up. He said so himself (according to the BBC article linked in the OP).
He was drinking, and it’s a Glock.
Glocks have a “passive” safety. There’s no manual safety, just this little extra thing in the trigger, which does not require an extra step to fire.
(source)Negligent discharge is much easier with guns like these, in my opinion (because apparently there’s significant debate on this, somehow).
A drunk guy accidentally pointing a gun is plausible (I’ve had it happen to me before, probably more than once). Add the negligence of a drunken idiot and possible shitty trigger discipline, and I could easily imagine a negligent discharge here.
There’s also the possibility that it wasn’t even his finger that pulled the trigger. He could have snagged the trigger on something, being a fumbling idiot. Some people have accidentally shot themselves when trying to holster guns like these. This condition is commonly known as “Glock leg”.
Still, regardless of intent, the gun was pointed at his daughter, the trigger was pulled, and she’s dead — a sum of his own decisions, accident or not. It is WILD that he gets to walk free.
Yes I’m familiar with firearms.
You do not accidental raise a gun, point it at someone, and pull the trigger. Total bullshit to say otherwise.
Also get out of there with that trigger nonsense. It takes a conscious amount of force to pull back a trigger. They’re designed that way to prevent accidents. They don’t go off because someone has their finger on it ( which is intent to fire anyway)
He may have been very drunk and in an altered state. He probably did something his sober self never would. But he still chose to do it.
The only thing you said that’s even plausible is it could have snagged on something. Which of course he still chose to do a lot of illegal actions leading up to that
And even if you could somehow accidentally fire a gun, that’s the definition of manslaughter anyway, so the guy is still guilty either way.
You assume he didn’t leave his weapons loaded. And that he hadn’t modified them with a hair trigger, etc.
This is the type of person that has an entire gun room, not just a safe or two, an entire room dedicated to guns.
Enough to know he pointed a loaded gun at his daughter with the safety off and pulled the trigger, incidentally just after having an argument with her about trump; and that the maga fascist jury of peers in bumfuck texas decided to acquit him without a trial because “it was an accident” is apparently a reasonable explanation to them…
Honor killing is not part of Sharia. It belongs to tribalistic culture and societies.
Yeah. I remember discussing this with non-Arab Muslims.
They talked about how annoying Arab cultural dominance can be, how they export Arab values and culture, while pretending it’s all Islam inspired rather than simply Arab traditions.
But I suppose that’s not a stunning insight. Don’t even need to leave the middle-east, to find Muslims who don’t agree with other Muslims on what it means to be a Muslim.
Honor killing was prohibited by Islam. Read about female infanticide prohibition in Islam, for example.
Arabs are also incredibly diverse. It’s not a single culture or ethnicity.
They should still get the fuck out of Africa.
Literally a drunk and completely incompetent gun owner. He should be punished and made an example of. Your statement makes this sound completely intentional. The court appears to believe the claim that her death was accidental. I don’t doubt that he had no intentions of killing his daughter.
This should be a textbook example for gun licensing and requirements of safe storage. This man’s negligence cost him his daughter and the court decided this was enough. I don’t think the court went far enough and I think this should be the basis for further legislation, but let’s not turn this case into a bogeyman about honor killings.
He wasn’t indicted. The Texas jury didn’t care about the murder enough to punish him whatsoever, that’s the problem.
Worth noting that indictments are laughably easy to get, because there is no defense lawyer. An indictment isn’t a conviction, it’s just the prosecution going “yeah we probably have enough evidence to bother with a trial.” The old joke is that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich for murder if the prosecutor wants them to. The prosecutor has full control over what evidence the grand jury sees, and the rules around evidence are a LOT more relaxed than they are in court. The prosecutor could basically scribble out a “yeah I did it lol” note on a napkin and present it to the grand jury as evidence. It wouldn’t stand up in court, but it doesn’t need to if the prosecutor just wants the indictment.
The grand jury is just an arm of the prosecutor, and is used as a political tool whenever a trial would be politically inconvenient. Because the district attorney is typically elected, which means they need to pander for votes. So if it would be politically inconvenient to prosecute someone, they can simply refuse to bring any evidence to the grand jury. Because (again) they have full control over what evidence the grand jury sees.
For example, let’s say a cop murders someone in the street. It’s on video. The public is out for blood. But the prosecutor has to work with the police to do their job, and the police union is threatening to stop collecting any evidence at crime scenes if they prosecute this cop. Prosecutor is between a rock and a hard place, because they’d be torching future trials just to appease the public. So instead, they simply don’t bring any evidence to the grand jury. The grand jury is a faceless shadowy organization that can’t defend itself. It’s the perfect scapegoat. So when the grand jury refuses to indict (because they weren’t presented with any evidence) the district attorney can jump in front of the news cameras and go “I tried to prosecute them, but that big mean grand jury refused to indict. But remember, I did my best! Vote for me!” Cops are happy because the prosecutor didn’t indict, the public is placated because the prosecutor “tried” to indict them, and the cogs of the legal system keep grinding away as intended.
So with all of that being said… If he wasn’t indicted, it’s because the prosecutor didn’t want to bring it to trial.
Thank you for sharing this information.
Hey, always glad to see the MECFS guy in the wild. My wife is suffering from major chronic fatigue, (it’s seriously life-altering), so I wanted to let you know that your posts don’t go unnoticed.
And yeah, the whole “jury vs grand jury” and “indicted vs convicted” thing is a pet peeve of mine. Because authorities prey on the public’s lack of knowledge about the legal process, to shift blame away from themselves. Once you know the difference (and understand the relationship between a prosecutor and the grand jury) you’ll consistently see news stories of prosecutors hiding behind grand juries to shift blame away from themselves. But it’s always framed by the news as “the prosecutor brought the case to the grand jury, who refused to indict” because the news is complicit in keeping the cogs grinding.
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That’s a problem, yes. That’s the main reason why this man wasn’t given any sort of punishment in this specific case.
This isn’t the first time someone has shot a family member without the intent to kill, and it won’t be the last. Something needs to be done about it at a fundamental level. I realize that isn’t going to happen, especially in Texas. But that doesn’t change the fact that we need common sense gun laws in this country. This is a fucking travesty and a miscarriage of justice. It’s doing nothing to deal with this specific scenario nor the larger problem that too many idiots have too much access to deadly weapons.
The court appears to believe the claim that her death was accidental. I don’t doubt that he had no intentions of killing his daughter.
If you don’t have inside knowledge on the case, “not having doubt” on either intentions or no intentions is an incredibly moronic take.
Also, the job of a court of law is to establish innocence or guilt (and the degree thereof). This grand jury failing to indict is that grand jury refusing to do its duty to the people. While Germany is also going to shits, I am kinda glad that for now, our country is civilised enough to not have juries. Although we have the next worst thing, which is laypeople judges, for some cases.
Ya when people say Dems have a chance of winning Texas. Call that person a moron and go on with your day
Like nearly all the US, the cities are heavily blue and the rural parts are heavily red. The only difference between blue states and red states is which side of the halfway line it’s tipped towards. And nearly every state is close to the halfway mark—including Texas.
Texas has more dem voters than some states have people.
We have loads of left-leaning people who are eligible to vote. If more of them would actually vote, we’d get somewhere. Fortunately, the primary turnout numbers this year look good. More Democratic voters than Republican in the Senate race, and pretty close to even for the Governor. Compare to 2024 when over 2/3 of primary ballots cast were Republican. Polling looks better than 2018 with Beto v Cruz.
And yet not once have they even been close to winning
Beto came pretty close against Cruz. But that was basically it in the last 30 or so years. Every other time has been a route basically. The Texas Democratic party is beyond incompetent.
You aren’t even close to being right about that
Nah, pretty close.
The only difference between blue states and red states is which side of the halfway line it’s tipped towards.
not for any longer. trump has won the right to throw out any mail-in ballot he wants.
If we had 100% voting population Republicans would never win again anywhere, especially in texas. That is why Republicans are so eager to disenfranchise voters. They’re trying to take away voting rights of women by making voters who change their name ineligible. They love the apathetic idiots who never vote.
Right now trump seems to have killed mail in voting for this year. Unless something changes the new usps system is sure to disenfranchise millions.
It’s a perfect storm for Dems this year in Texas. They have a good candidate for that state - a likable, charismatic young man who talks about his Christian faith a lot. The Republicans are fielding a particularly bad candidate - a corrupt attorney general who was nearly impeached by his own party for fraud, whose wife recently divorced him for cheating, and who narrowly won a closely contested primary. Beto came within 2.5 points of Cruz in 2018, and Cruz was/is popular in Texas, and Republicans in general weren’t as reviled back then. It’s still no better than a coin flip, but Talarico could win this year.
I HATE all this Christian bullshit. Why the fuck does xianity have ANYTHING to do with the document? I hate it here
Political scientists estimate there are about 8 million consistently-Democratic voters in Texas and 6 million consistently-Republican voters. Out of a population of 30 million where everyone else flip flops and/or doesn’t vote.
The only reason the Republicans ever win in Texas is due to voter suppression/gerrymandering.
This is consistent with national estimates that there are roughly 1.5x as many Democrats as Republicans in the USA.
The only reason the Republicans ever win anywhere is due to voter suppression/gerrymandering.
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