I wasn’t sure where to post this, but it seems like Tildes is pretty much dead now. This is why decentralized is the only possible good future.
Hopefully all the users move to Lemmy/PieFed/Mbin
I wasn’t sure where to post this, but it seems like Tildes is pretty much dead now. This is why decentralized is the only possible good future.
Hopefully all the users move to Lemmy/PieFed/Mbin
I can understand explicit calls to violence being disallowed. As happy I’d be if all Nazis just didn’t wake up one day, we don’t need vigilantes going around deciding who to commit attempted murder against
When people no longer trust the justice system to provide justice, they end up relying on alternatives. Is it the ideal solution? Obviously not. However, I’m not going to sit here and say the French resistance was wrong because they didn’t have the backing of their government. There’s obviously a gray area where anyone would agree it’s acceptable and not.
An organized revolution is different from random acts of vigilante violence
Sure, but if you think the entire French resistance was organized then you don’t really know what you’re talking about. There were plenty of individual acts. Insisting it must be organized, and then insisting that it must meet a certain level of organization, is only insisting that nothing is allowed. All revolution requires a certain amount of disorganization, or everything is centralized and is easy to topple.
Also, nothing in the above said for it to be unorganized. You previously only insisted acting outside the justice system is wrong, and now you’ve stepped back from that stance. It’s progress I guess, but you don’t see the bigger picture yet.
The media’s “all violence is evil” propaganda insists that the state has a monopoly on violence. They’re allowed to use it to keep us in line, but we can’t use it to keep them in line. The reality is that there should be no solid line. Every individual will have a certain tolerance and threshold for violence. Literally no one is at zero for both. Everyone knows violence must be used sometimes, but they disagree on when and by whom.
You know, that is a fair take. It’s easy to pass judgment, but less easy to trust that everyone else would pass the same judgment on the same people you do.
Vigilantes are welcome to fight Nazis. Full stop.
We want to fight Nazis, on that we agree. Then who are these people? We have a court system, an agreed upon authority to make such decisions.
Vigilante1 thinks Mister X is a Nazi, Vigilante2 does not think so. Who is right? Who decides here? I say a court does and this is why I think we can’t just go around and murder people.
Don’t live in a way that would make ANYONE think you’re a Nazi, and then it’s not a problem.
Sure, but as soon as just one person thinks someone else is a Nazi, should we kill them?
Again, I am not saying that it is cool to be a Nazi, I am saying that we can’t just go around persecuting people willy nilly. That is why we have a justice system and a court. Other wise we might just as well do away with them and do as they did to witches in the middle ages.
I deem thee to be a witch, now thou shall burn at the stake.
Nope. What you’re saying isn’t how it works.
Nazis are objectively intolerable and easily identifiable. They are reprehensible enough that reasonable people will go to extraordinary lengths to avoid any appearance of association or alignment with them.
If you disagree, that is a YOU problem and you are no longer welcome to talk to me until YOU solve it.
Period.
In your opinion, is the qualifications for a Nazi universally understood and agreed upon? As in, everyone in our society has the same opinion regarding what makes a person a Nazi?
Anyone worth respect.
See, some people would identify me as a Nazi for saying “I don’t want random people going around killing people they think are Nazis based on their own judgment”.
We live in a world where people decide to be Nazis. So obviously, I don’t trust the judgment of every human being out there.
With the way that term is being thrown around these days, that is a dangerous assumption.
If I call you a nazi because I don’t like your comment, and then you call me nazi back, does that mean we should both die?
The longer it takes for the justice system to do anything useful the more it feels like that’s exactly what we need.
The biggest problem is that the Nazis will use that excuse too.
Sure, but if the law doesn’t stop them then somebody else is going to have to anyway.