In-group pressure and trauma are the only things that change minds. Traumatizing people is often rude, and maybe a crime, so it’s safer to try to get people to see you as trusted in-group and then work on changing their minds.
I believe that a person can only change their mind when they themselves understand something.
F.i. You can’t teach math. You can provide a pupil the necessary examples to come to the right results, but you cannot force feed knowledge. It only makes sense to the pupil when it makes sense in their own mind.
I also believe that many casual right wingers only hold their political views because they didn’t think about it and didn’t generate their own opinion. They caved in to group pressure. Each and every one of them must have at some point been aware of a situation in which they chose to not want to think about the righteousness of it and simply went with the stream of the group that they wanted to be in, even if it didn’t necessarily align with anything they’d ever heard or believed before, because they were afraid to challenge the view.
Some of them even pretend to have formed this opinion themselves and act proud and superior for going against a more commonly acknowledged opinion. But they’re not. Their talking points are the same on a global level.
In every country in Europe the topics are the same, the false arguments are the same, the talking points are as irrelevant everywhere, yet they keep yelling them as if they had witnessed the second coming of Christ themselves. They’re being fed like sheep, and I’ll be honest and admit that I don’t know how it works that well. It shouldn’t but it does.
Anyway, I do not want to make group pressure, nor do I want to force my own opinion on them in a similar manner. I just to debate them enough and provide them with the necessary examples that they can form their own actual opinion.
Yeah well, I don’t stop strangers on the street to have a conversation about politics.
Most recently the debate where I live has been about agriculture against the environment. The subject came up at my last family gathering and despite the unspoken notion to keep it as civil as possible and just to nod in agreement I decided to stand up for my own opinion and made them think. Nobody dared to speak up for the opposing side, which would otherwise have been the consensus, and by now I’m pretty sure I’ve got my point across and that they themselves will be exposing this point of view or at least bring up that I’m of that point of view if they ever get into that debate elsewhere.
I count that as a win. Also the government made a decision yesterday in this favour, and while I obviously can’t take any credit for that, at least my family will now understand why the decision was made.
I think we agree, then? What I was saying is you have to talk to people like your family. You have to have bonds with people, whether that’s from being a family or just spending time together.
In-group pressure and trauma are the only things that change minds. Traumatizing people is often rude, and maybe a crime, so it’s safer to try to get people to see you as trusted in-group and then work on changing their minds.
I believe that a person can only change their mind when they themselves understand something.
F.i. You can’t teach math. You can provide a pupil the necessary examples to come to the right results, but you cannot force feed knowledge. It only makes sense to the pupil when it makes sense in their own mind.
I also believe that many casual right wingers only hold their political views because they didn’t think about it and didn’t generate their own opinion. They caved in to group pressure. Each and every one of them must have at some point been aware of a situation in which they chose to not want to think about the righteousness of it and simply went with the stream of the group that they wanted to be in, even if it didn’t necessarily align with anything they’d ever heard or believed before, because they were afraid to challenge the view. Some of them even pretend to have formed this opinion themselves and act proud and superior for going against a more commonly acknowledged opinion. But they’re not. Their talking points are the same on a global level.
In every country in Europe the topics are the same, the false arguments are the same, the talking points are as irrelevant everywhere, yet they keep yelling them as if they had witnessed the second coming of Christ themselves. They’re being fed like sheep, and I’ll be honest and admit that I don’t know how it works that well. It shouldn’t but it does.
Anyway, I do not want to make group pressure, nor do I want to force my own opinion on them in a similar manner. I just to debate them enough and provide them with the necessary examples that they can form their own actual opinion.
This will be fruitless if they don’t trust you. That’s another way of saying you’re in-group.
Yeah well, I don’t stop strangers on the street to have a conversation about politics.
Most recently the debate where I live has been about agriculture against the environment. The subject came up at my last family gathering and despite the unspoken notion to keep it as civil as possible and just to nod in agreement I decided to stand up for my own opinion and made them think. Nobody dared to speak up for the opposing side, which would otherwise have been the consensus, and by now I’m pretty sure I’ve got my point across and that they themselves will be exposing this point of view or at least bring up that I’m of that point of view if they ever get into that debate elsewhere.
I count that as a win. Also the government made a decision yesterday in this favour, and while I obviously can’t take any credit for that, at least my family will now understand why the decision was made.
I think we agree, then? What I was saying is you have to talk to people like your family. You have to have bonds with people, whether that’s from being a family or just spending time together.
Absolutely. I read your post assuming it was intended to be in agreement to begin with.
I like how this is even possible on Lemmy in contrast to other places where disagreement is assumed as the default.