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Others said the campaign had a darker side and stirred up fear of newcomers. Some backers of the Piddington referendum compared their fight against the asylum accommodation to the 1940 Battle of Britain against Nazi Germany.
Villager Herbert Owen, 76, said after voting on Tuesday that the independence referendum “isn’t just about Piddington,” adding: “It means everything our grandparents, our parents fought for. Today is the Battle of Britain.”
Comparing unauthorized immigration to an invasion has become increasingly common among politicians including Nigel Farage of Reform UK, and far-right groups that have been active in organizing and attending anti-immigrant protests.
What a bunch of assholes. From earlier in the article:
Residents of Piddington, which has a population of about 350…
That makes sense. Small town people need to have no say over issues pertaining to classes of people who are “different” from themselves. They’re too insulated and lack exposure to those who aren’t like them to properly recognize that they’re human beings in all the ways that they’d recognize if they knew someone from said class.
Brief story: decades ago, while I was on excellent drugs at a rave, my homophobia (thanks, Mom!) instantly disappeared when I realized the hilarious gay guy, in a group of us smoking cigarettes, was no different from me. “He just wants to take his drugs and have a good time on Saturday night,” I realized. He was no different from me!
Small town people need drugs and a good time with people unlike themselves.
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Great, invade them and make them a vassal state to the UK with an 80% tax rate and forced serfdom. Should be done before lunch.
Villager Herbert Owen, 76, said after voting on Tuesday that the independence referendum “isn’t just about Piddington,” adding: “It means everything our grandparents, our parents fought for. Today is the Battle of Britain.”
Herbert, Britain took hundreds of thousands of refugees when Nazi Germany invaded all of Europe. Many of those refugees fought for the Allies during the Battle of Britain when UK was left standing alone. You shame your grandparents and parents who fought during the war and tarnishing the name of the battle that fought for everything that is right.
No wonder the Scots and Welsh are right to push for independence. I would not want to be associated with England-- an old man yelling at clouds.
was no different from me. “He just wants to take his drugs and have a good time on Saturday night”’ realized. He was no different from me!
How can you be sure that these illegal immigrants are no different than you? For example, are you sure they have the same respect for women as you? I met a Pakistani fella once (wasn’t an illegal immigrant, but was an international student). He was boasting about how he had two marriages lined up. I think from there it was quite well established that different cultures have different levels of acceptability for behaviour.
Poligamy does not in any way imply disrespect for women. Or are mixed polycules composed exclusively of people who hate all genders?
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Oh, cool. I don’t often see an unabashed racist in Lemmy comments. Nice to see one who isn’t pussyfooting around, so I know I can cleanly block you.
I am in agreeance with the comments basically telling those people that they would need to basically build up their “country” but definitely under a time constraint before being kicked out of the country.
Hell, I was thinking similar things like that for certain parts of my country. Could easily apply to both. Simple things like them having to draft their own laws, create their own currency and then when that is created hand over basically all the foreign money back, government from the part of the country that didn’t secede still keeps control over the military bases and other government things of importance still in the new country. Things like other have said about disconnecting from nationwide utilities and having to have their own passports.
I bet in both situations they wouldn’t even last more than a few years before collapsing inder their own ineptitude.
Years? They’d be reliant on foreign aid from the UK within weeks.
What a bunch of wankers
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So wait are they actually independent then?..
Because if so, that technically means it’s perfectly fine for anyone to declare war on them and just take over the area. I mean, they’re calling it a battle, so why not give them a taste of what they want then? Considering it’s about 300 people, most elderly, it’s probably not hard for the internet to gather a 100 who have just some basic combat training. Then they can be given the choice to surrender, and once they do, their land can be sold been to Britain or turned into an anarchist commune, with them being kicked out. /s
Unfortunately, even with such a direct drastic action, the irony would be entirely lost on them.
The migrants are coming regardless, the only choice you have is whether to be humane or cruel.
no, the choice you have is to turn them away or admit them.
and i severely doubt you’d wnat them moving into your home. but as long as someone else has to deal with the problem what do you care really? you can sit back and judge them and feel superior about what you hypothetically think you would do.
Wow, who would have known it was UK racism that outs the most blatant racists? Have I just dodge all of y’all before?
Being critical of immigration policy isn’t being a racist, but keep telling yourself that.
Because it involves you never having to think or address the issue in any significant way. You just get to stand on your high chair and shout racist at strangers who are protesting policy decisions they don’t like. Because you know better than them, no doubt!
What’s the problem exactly? Having immigrants at all?
Immigration is a complex social and economic problem.
And the problem is people dont’ want to acknowledge complexity because it’s hard. They’d rather vastly over simplify things, and call it bad or good. Without ever going into the policy details and their consequences.
And if you suggest that immigration is complex leftists call you racists, and rightoids think you want to exterminate the white race.
But it’s fine, it’s easier to grandstand on the internet and feel smug than actually discuss or examine the complexities of immigration, especially because it’s someone else’s problem.
But you simplified it to “the problem”. I was asking for specifics of what exactly the problem is.
the problem is how many/who immigration to allow in, and where they have to live, how much assistance/benefits will they get, etc.
then how to integrate them into your society, language learning etc.
and that’s legal immigration. and that already, has backlash, because why are these people getting so many social services that aren’t even available to your own citizens?
illegal immigration is a whole other thing. because by definition, that’s not-selective in either population, location, or anything else.
politically the problem the far left things open borders and infinite resources should exist, and the far right things immigration shoudl be disallowed entirely or only be for the rich, and no social services shoudl be given to immigrant.
So your entire assertion above is assuming that everyone else doesn’t have to deal with the problem of immigration, so they can throw peanuts from afar without dealing with that problem?
I’m pretty sure everyone here lives somewhere with immigrants. So that’s a strange thing to accuse everyone else of.
and that already, has backlash, because why are these people getting so many social services that aren’t even available to your own citizens?
There are special interest funds and help for all kinds of groups, private and public. Citizens have more social services that aren’t available to all immigrants by default. There has never been any data to support this assertion that immigrants receive the benefit of more social funds than citizens.
It’s particularly illegal immigrants. Essentially once someone disregards the immigration system, then their likelihood of disregarding other laws is dramatically increased.
Legal immigrants also hate this happening as well, as they work hard to get a visa and then their reputation gets annihilated by freeloaders and possibly criminals or nuisances escaping repercussions abroad.
Gonna need some citations on the claim that illegal immigrants break the law more than legal immigrants or even natural-born citizens.
Another citation for most illegal immigrants being freeloaders too considering their illegal status makes freeloading much more difficult.
Damn, you suck
Yeah, I believe in reality. Reality sucks. Therefore I suck.
You’re not being “cruel” by not allowing what you didn’t agree to in the first place. The government is cruel by not getting approval from people who actually live there. The government is cruel by telling the migrants they have a place to go, when they don’t. The government drops them off and goes “cool, good luck” into a community who doesn’t want them, then they act shocked when the migrants are treated like shit.
Nice fantasy you have there
Funny how the people that are treating the migrants like shit are somehow not the cruel ones even though they’re the cause of the main instigators of friction in every step there.
Paying human traffickers to try and bypass the visa system and lying about fleeing some war in france, also lying about your age, in order to claim benefits for people actually in need, tends to instigate friction.
Not only does this have nothing to do with the comment I replied to, it’s also a wild claim that seems extremely specific and can’t possibly apply across a large group of people to actually be a common problem.
Just let them get their independence. Build a razorwire fence around the village, invalidate their passports, and cut off water, power, and phones. And just in case they have boats, place a coast guard boat in front of their harbour (or whatever they have).
Sounds perfectly reasonable. I’m sure they’ll sort it out. Refuse to let any of them seek refuge.
Exactly the plan.
Wouldn’t they get an EEZ
Well, how much use would it be, behind razor wire, no way to get out by boat, either, and no airport?
Imperialism is back boys!
They say that “Today is the Battle of Britain” yet for some reason they switched sides and joined the fascists
Send a couple of Spitfires to strafe them, see how they like that.
Serious question, if the boys that fought fascism knew the future is where their grandchildren wouldn’t be able to afford a house, would stop having children on masse, and wouldn’t be able to get hired. Do you think they’d still have fought? It made their sacrifice worth it?
At least they have some foreign food. On the downside, there’s huge grooming gangs that the police doesn’t dare do anything about because they might be accused of racism.
They would be horrified that there are bell ends like you cropping up again in their own country. Seriously.
Let’s hear from a primary source: https://youtu.be/c2LTcqnFXY0?is=lgF6x1X8xFdWLC_Z
I’m not British, I’m Belgian. And when i remember my grandfather, he’d be horrified by the current society.
Frankly the only ant-immigrant parties left are the far fight fascists, and I understand you associate me with them. But that’s not at all representative of. I want the political landscape to be like Denmark.
Respect for people, freedom, laws, the press…, still hard on illegal immigration. I really hate that the only people standing against unlimited immigration are the pro-Russian mega corrupt far-right.
I’m not British, I’m Belgian
Of course you’re not, hardly any of the terminally online fuckwits obsessed with our politics are.
I want the political landscape to be like Denmark
Speaking as someone who lives in Denmark and have for my entire life: no you don’t.
It’s become increasingly full of demagogic nonsense ever since the Fogh campaign introduced spin doctors in 2000.
I guess that IS what you like, though, based on your jingoistic catchphrases below…
hard on illegal immigration
Translation: xenophobic and needlessly cruel
unlimited immigration
Translation: not forcing people to suffer and die for being born on the wrong side of arbitrary lines on a map
Translation: not forcing people to suffer and die for being born
on the wrong side of arbitrary lines on a mapin a foreign country that my country and their allies bombed, sanctioned, and otherwise manipulated into poverty.They wouldn’t leave their homes [edit: in the numbers racists complain about], if their countries were fine. And their countries aren’t fine as a result of decades, if not centuries, of exploitation and political and economic meddling/espionage from the West/“global north”.
That is also true, yes.
Even if their countries WERE fine, though, it should be none of our concern whether they prefer to live in ours.
Since they’re not, though, letting them live in peace here is the LEAST we can do to make up for our imperialist past and present!
Maybe ask yourself WHY it’s only the far right parties that are anti-immigrant and blaming all society’s ills on immigrants? Have a little think about that, and about what happened in the lead up to WW2. See if you can spot any similarities between those people who’s policies you support and the people your grandfather and my father fought against.
Illegal immigration is an issue but it’s nowhere near the cause of society’s ills. Just thought it was worth putting that out there.
If anything, it’s just a symptom.
Respect for people, freedom, laws, the press…,
Have you seen what’s happening across the pond?
The reason houses are not affordable has nothing to do with fighting fascism, so it’s an absurd question.
there’s huge grooming gangs that the police doesn’t dare do anything about because they might be accused of racism
That’s a lame excuse the police use to cover up for their gross incompetence. And the similar police inaction on predominantly white grroming gangs can’t be credibly attributed to fears of accusations of racism.
Serious question, if the boys that fought fascism knew the future is where their grandchildren wouldn’t be able to afford a house, would stop having children on masse, and wouldn’t be able to get hired. Do you think they’d still have fought? It made their sacrifice worth it?
That generation themselves took charge of the new councils that in many cases would then veto further housing development to put upward pressure on the value of the homes they had secured, starting to pull up the ladder after many new homes had been freshly built for them following the destruction of the war. Their direct children who inherited the housing are still profiting quite handsomely with similar incentives, although it’s terrible for the great grandchildren. So the bad part is basically working as they themselves intervened to achieve, and regardless of that now reducing homeownership rates those rates still remain higher than those of when that generation was growing up and the homes are much nicer in quality than the slums of the time which were destroyed.
People stopped having children en masse because new technology allowed for family planning and for people to do what seemed important to them in life rather than suddenly winding up as parents and being forced to lock in.
The unemployment rate of 4.9% is much lower than what that war-winning generation had experienced in the interwar period.
None of this situation seems like it would be helped by becoming the slaves of a self-proclaimed master race who themselves were under the unrestrained despotism of a rabid band of bloodthirsty lunatics.
I say, give them independence. Cut them off from the grid, water, sewage. Add border checks requiring visas if they want to enter the rest of the country. Treat them how you would treat any other country, with the influence of 300 people. See how long they last.
As a nice gesture, let them have another referendum to see if they want to rejoin.
Then, once they agree they want to re-join, require the surrounding area to hold a referendum on whether to allow it.
Yeah, it’s really a vote for free-riding. So bill them for everything they consume, and mark it up a bit extra because they’re being cunts.
Town expects to be taken seriously
It’s named Piddington
There’s an old Top Gear episode where Jeremy Clarkson makes fun of that name. How it’s like something you’d call someone who’s a bit of a wet blanket. “He’s a bit of a Piddingron.”
There is there classic film called passport to pimlico.
The story of how technically speaking pimlico belonged to some foreign prince. At the time because the post war rationing was making life difficult… They all decided to secede the UK. Only to find the actually rationing wasn’t that bad when faced with all of the other issues that came from being isolationist.
It was relevant then. It was relevant during the brexit referendum. And it is relevant today.
Although this shouldn’t be confused for the cases Scotland Ireland and Wales make for independence.
How funny would it be for them to instead vote to kick England out of the UK? “We’re mostly fine with maintaining our unification under a monarchy, but (and we can’t stress this enough) fuck England’s politicians with an unlubed rake.”
Just a heads up: Ireland has independence. Maybe you’re thinking of unification or independence of Northern Ireland.
Fair point
Although this shouldn’t be confused for the cases Scotland Ireland and Wales make for independence.
Why? Devolving power is a good thing.
Oh absolutely. That’s what I’m saying. The biggots in this village, and the movie I’m referencing, seem to think that all their problems will disappear if they break away.
Scotland Wales and Ireland absolutely should have independence should they want it. There’s a big difference. These aren’t tiny groups of people who think all of their woes will evaporate as soon as they declare independence.
groups of people who think all of their woes will evaporate as soon as they declare independence.
To be fair this does describe the SNP quite well! I’m a strong believer that a democratic institution is only worthy of the name if you can leave, but the Yes campaign’s whitepaper was very sloppy on its economics for example, it did a lot of wishful thinking around oil prices and Westminster paying for pension entitlements. The SNP is also incredibly crooked as it turns out, I’d be properly miffed if I was a Scot that petty corruption was damaging the credibility of the broader independence movement.
I have a lot more time for Plaid Cymru though, they’re doing the right things on the subject and they’re definitely a lot less shady in my view. Welsh independence is obviously even more challenging economically, but Plaid seem to be pacing themselves sensibly and building trust rather than going full-tilt into an ill-conceived gamble. I can see them delivering independence credibly in the future. Also they’ve done very well to gain enough seats from Labour to overturn their century-long Welsh streak.
That’s nice of them to show me what village i am not going to visit. Glad moronic racists are happy to show themselves on the map
Not even to take a piddle on piddlington?
I think this could be a thing. Wouldn’t want the new housing for migrants to smell like piss, after all. Gotta put our best foot forward….
Wait until Pissborough decides to secede.
For that, I might license my food truck name to some peeps over there.
(I’m gonna name it “all due respect”. Well sell asparagus, radishes, beer. Anything that can make your piss extra stanky. We’ll be located across from Trump’s grave.)
Nothing racist about opposing 1000+ migrants being suddenly moved into your area which previously had 300-400 people. Doesn’t matter where they’re from - that’s going to completely change the way of life.
I remember when people were happily housing Ukrainian migrants after Russia first attacked. The government even paid out grants to help people do it. It does 100% matter where they are from. It seems that it’s a lot more difficult to welcome people into the country if they aren’t the same colour as you.
Or maybe it is easier to integrate ukrainians than deeply rural people escaping from wars caused by Europeans and US.
So… everything outside of Europe is “rural” now?
Deeply rural people? What does that mean? A bunch of Iowan farmers moved to the UK?
easier to integrate ukrainians than deeply rural people
You know that the flag of Ukraine depicts a wheat field under a blue sky, right? And that it’s known as “Europe’s bread basket”?
Doesn’t get much more rural than that 😄
Honestly I think it’s deliberate, at that point the problem isn’t who is being moved in it’s that there’s no way the existing infrastructure and services can support the population suddenly quadrupling. Easy way to manufacture a small crisis to drum up anti-immigration fervor.
If this is the piddington I think it is, they’re not that far from the outskirts of Bicester (pronounced bister) which has had an almost nonstop expansion since 2013 and is home to one of the most hyped up nothingburger shopping “villages” I’ve ever seen which means constant tourists in the area in a much more disruptive way. Also turns out this migrant housing place is going to be in Bicester itself so I can’t even comprehend the self-importance required to try to secede like this…
Bicester (pronounced bister)
You British people… Always cheating at Scrabble!
Eddie Izzard even hilariously admits it!
