• SphereofWreckening@lemmy.world
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          6 days ago

          If we’re using material harm to a person or region as the metric for measurement: objectively yes.

          Both are terrible, but the US is pretty clearly worse.

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            3 days ago

            If we’re using material harm to a person or region as the metric for measurement: objectively yes.

            Pound for pound? No.

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              3 days ago

              The US has toppled more countries, both single-handedly and with allies compared to Al-Qaeda. The US has started or been responsible for exacerbating more famines/droughts/critical supplies shortages than Al-Qaeda. The US has killed more people, and has more people in slavery than Al-Qaeda. The US has ruined more parts of the world than Al-Qaeda has.

              Logically, no matter how you cut it, the US is significantly worse when compared to Al-Qaeda. And this is before mentioning how the US essentially funded and created the conditions for Al-Qaeda through their worsening affects on the Middle East; as well as trained and funded the Mujahideen to fight the Soviets which helped fund Osama Bin Laden and later Al-Qaeda.

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                3 days ago

                Logically, no matter how you cut it, the US is significantly worse when compared to Al-Qaeda.

                Pound for pound on number of deaths? That’s an absurd claim.

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            6 days ago

            but the US is pretty clearly worse

            To deconstruct this a (tiny) bit - and forgive the Clintonism of “it depends on the what the definition of ‘is’ is”…

            I wouldn’t say “the US is pretty clearly worse”, but, rather, “the US - in the context of its actions in parallel consideration with that of al-Qaeda’s actions - has been (and continues to be) objectively worse, considering overall lives lost, material damage done, and the widespread and colossal impact to global geopolitical instability.” That’s not an equivocation, but a clarification which, IMO, if far more damning and more accurate to what Piker was trying to communicate.

            and all of this? possibly the most masterful - almost artful - military intelligence operation ever devised and pulled off by one Vladimir Putin, such that would make Rasputin proud. he has taken the post-WWII western global hegemony and successfully, over just under 3 decades (especially in the last 10 years) led the dumbest and most arrogant American (Trump and MAGA) to smash it to bits on their own, with little effort on his part.

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              5 days ago

              “I didn’t disagree that America is worse for the world than one of the largest terror organizations, but I refuse to do anything about it!” Magnue yells as he guns the throttle on his Harley Davidson