The .ml echochamber you’re arguing for, is focused on being anti-western, not being Communist, not on improving workers rights or life standard. And your post again proves that. You really shouldn’t call yourself Communists, you are not. Empty headed academics at best.
It could be not the users (I have an account on .ml) who are at fault, but the mods, but that does shape what you are allowed to think and say. And that makes all it dangerously tribal, homogenized to a point where it’s indistinguishable from USSR and China cult to an external observer.
Do you know what the worst part is? How .ml instance is moderated, how the discussions are there allowed to shape, they alienate and polarize against Communism people from EU and USA. That is literally what Operation Gladio was expected to achieve.
I don’t know what kind of communism you think there is that doesn’t oppose western imperialism, support the Chinese socialist project, or applaud the damage that Russia has done to NATO. All of these positions materially improve the condition of the global working class.
Like, what do you think communism is, if it isn’t opposition to the global system of capitalism that is destroying the world and murdering millions of people?
And also, I hope you note that my language is precise. I say “oppose western imperialism,” not “hate everything about the west.” And “support Chinese socialism,” not “China can do no wrong.” And “applaud opposition to NATO,” not “I want to suck Putin’s dick.” Marxists are concerned with the nuances and complexities of material reality, we try to avoid emotionally reactive stances that try to sort the world into good vs evil.
or applaud the damage that Russia has done to NATO
Yeah, I don’t think I want to talk to anyone who applauds any wars. And you’re literally proving my point of being anti western garbage instead of workers unite communist.
Yeah, I don’t think I want to talk to anyone who applauds any wars.
Alright so you don’t want to talk to people supporting Ukraine either, then? I figure you get mad when you watch Saving Private Ryan or Inglorious Bastards? People who speak positively of the Vietnamese in their fight against France, Japan, France and the US are right out the window? Same goes for the houthis, right? All communist guerillas, I suppose. And freedom fighters through the years.
What? Try to read what I actually wrote my guy. You dont want to applaud any wars, right? So I must assume youre not applauding Ukraine for fighting back. After all if they just didnt fight back, there wouldnt be a war. We don’t want to applaud people doing war. We don’t want to applaud war. It’s the war part, specifically, completely removed from context. Thats all that matters apparently.
I don’t think I missed your point. But we have shifted the goal post. Your comment was about very specific points related to criticism of China and labor conditions and why something like that would get you banned.
My reply attempted to be more general around those specifics. I was attempting to give you a perspective on why “stating facts” would be considered bad faith in a certain perspective. Hence the analogy I gave.
So I may have misdirected the conversation unintentionally. That wasn’t my intention.
I am not even necessarily defending .ml specifically. I don’t spend a majority of my time on that instance. You can see my post history. So, l can concede to being too defensive there. I should say I’m more defending what .ml means for ML (Marxist Leninist). I personally have mostly encountered cridge posts (usually hyperbolic) with good comment discourse there.
My intention was to explain the perspective of a literal Marxist Leninist and why the examples you gave in your original comment would be considered, in any leftist circle, a bad faith argument based on the INTENTION of them. The point of the statistics is to not ask “why are labor conditions like this” but to CONCLUDE that China is some corruption of leftism and “not real socialism”. It’s not meaningful in why it’s being brought up.
No ML is worried about addressing the labor conditions of China. But we aren’t interested in someone bringing up labor conditions in China who’s only reason to discuss is to reach a conclusion that is in favor to the narrative that is the larger problem of American Imperialism and pro capitalist propaganda.
ThirdConsul is a nationalist. So, neither, just someone that will grab Mao’s incorrect and ultraleftist take on the USSR being “social imperialist” while at the same time opposing socialism in China at all periods. ThirdConsul grabs whatever quote is meaningfully convenient, regardless of whether or not they actually agree with the underlying analysis.
You missed my point.
The .ml echochamber you’re arguing for, is focused on being anti-western, not being Communist, not on improving workers rights or life standard. And your post again proves that. You really shouldn’t call yourself Communists, you are not. Empty headed academics at best.
It could be not the users (I have an account on .ml) who are at fault, but the mods, but that does shape what you are allowed to think and say. And that makes all it dangerously tribal, homogenized to a point where it’s indistinguishable from USSR and China cult to an external observer.
Do you know what the worst part is? How .ml instance is moderated, how the discussions are there allowed to shape, they alienate and polarize against Communism people from EU and USA. That is literally what Operation Gladio was expected to achieve.
I don’t know what kind of communism you think there is that doesn’t oppose western imperialism, support the Chinese socialist project, or applaud the damage that Russia has done to NATO. All of these positions materially improve the condition of the global working class.
Like, what do you think communism is, if it isn’t opposition to the global system of capitalism that is destroying the world and murdering millions of people?
And also, I hope you note that my language is precise. I say “oppose western imperialism,” not “hate everything about the west.” And “support Chinese socialism,” not “China can do no wrong.” And “applaud opposition to NATO,” not “I want to suck Putin’s dick.” Marxists are concerned with the nuances and complexities of material reality, we try to avoid emotionally reactive stances that try to sort the world into good vs evil.
https://spectrejournal.com/one-should-not-camouflage-capitalist-and-imperialist-china-as-socialist/
Yeah, I don’t think I want to talk to anyone who applauds any wars. And you’re literally proving my point of being anti western garbage instead of workers unite communist.
Alright so you don’t want to talk to people supporting Ukraine either, then? I figure you get mad when you watch Saving Private Ryan or Inglorious Bastards? People who speak positively of the Vietnamese in their fight against France, Japan, France and the US are right out the window? Same goes for the houthis, right? All communist guerillas, I suppose. And freedom fighters through the years.
Or you obtuse or insane? Invaders are freedom fighters now?
Next thing you’re gonna say is that Israel is right commiting the genocide? Crazy troll.
What? Try to read what I actually wrote my guy. You dont want to applaud any wars, right? So I must assume youre not applauding Ukraine for fighting back. After all if they just didnt fight back, there wouldnt be a war. We don’t want to applaud people doing war. We don’t want to applaud war. It’s the war part, specifically, completely removed from context. Thats all that matters apparently.
I don’t think I missed your point. But we have shifted the goal post. Your comment was about very specific points related to criticism of China and labor conditions and why something like that would get you banned.
My reply attempted to be more general around those specifics. I was attempting to give you a perspective on why “stating facts” would be considered bad faith in a certain perspective. Hence the analogy I gave.
So I may have misdirected the conversation unintentionally. That wasn’t my intention.
I am not even necessarily defending .ml specifically. I don’t spend a majority of my time on that instance. You can see my post history. So, l can concede to being too defensive there. I should say I’m more defending what .ml means for ML (Marxist Leninist). I personally have mostly encountered cridge posts (usually hyperbolic) with good comment discourse there.
My intention was to explain the perspective of a literal Marxist Leninist and why the examples you gave in your original comment would be considered, in any leftist circle, a bad faith argument based on the INTENTION of them. The point of the statistics is to not ask “why are labor conditions like this” but to CONCLUDE that China is some corruption of leftism and “not real socialism”. It’s not meaningful in why it’s being brought up.
No ML is worried about addressing the labor conditions of China. But we aren’t interested in someone bringing up labor conditions in China who’s only reason to discuss is to reach a conclusion that is in favor to the narrative that is the larger problem of American Imperialism and pro capitalist propaganda.
So, are you obtuse or a troll?
ThirdConsul is a nationalist. So, neither, just someone that will grab Mao’s incorrect and ultraleftist take on the USSR being “social imperialist” while at the same time opposing socialism in China at all periods. ThirdConsul grabs whatever quote is meaningfully convenient, regardless of whether or not they actually agree with the underlying analysis.
No, they just see what your community stands for.
If you aren’t like that, you really should move instances.
So the reason they can’t engage with what the other person writes is because of their preconceived notions about an instance?
This makes no sense.