• Zozano@aussie.zone
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    It’s about making movies for little girls. It’s also about representation.

    Do you actually think Disney are pushing diversity for the sake of social justice? They don’t give a shit about representation if it doesn’t make them money.

    So doing it again in spite of the negative reaction is what it looks like when they care?

    Yes, the ensuing culture war puts Disney at the centre of attention.

    What do you suppose it would look like if they didn’t care what lonely white men think?

    I think they’d cast a pasty white girl as Snow White.

    Does that really make sense?

    Not at all.

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      So you’re describing a conspiracy theory where you think Disney is the architect of this culture war bullshit because it’s free advertising for their live action remakes.

      That doesn’t hold up to even a little bit of scrutiny.

      • Diverse casting in a remake was a thing for decades before the current culture war situation. Disney cast Brandy as Cinderella in 1997 to absolutely no backlash.

      • The racist backlash doesn’t actually provide any financial benefit for Disney. In fact there’s a significant cost to it, because Chinese audiences won’t see a movie with a Black lead.

      So if you’re being sincere here you should reconsider your stance. Unless there’s some other reason you might want to take that side.

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        21 hours ago

        because it’s free advertising

        Yes.

        That doesn’t hold up to even a little bit of scrutiny.

        1997 Cinderella was a TV movie, it’s in a different league and the whole cast is mostly* black. It’s a black film for black people.

        In fact there’s a significant cost to it

        It’s free advertising. Cost benefit analysis. Little Mermaid was profitable, and Snow White wasn’t, though there may be other reasons people were annoyed about this one (Gal Gadot, and dwarfs).

        if you’re being sincere here you should reconsider your stance

        Oh fuck off. I know what I’m saying. Go feed my messages into another LLM and have it spit out a list of facts you can regurgitate.

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          22 hours ago

          No sock puppets here and no LLMs. You’re being dismissive because you don’t have a real point.

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            21 hours ago

            So if you’re being sincere here you should reconsider your stance. Unless there’s some other reason you might want to take that side.

            You accuse me of being dismissive after you assert that I don’t understand the implications of what I’m saying? The irony lol.

            The only other way that you can make sense of what I’m saying is that I’m not arguing in good faith, or that I’m a closet racist, after saying:

            • I love Laurence Fishburne’s depiction of a historically white character
            • I like diversity and we should have more of it
            • I like Moana

            I haven’t dismissed anything, and I’m willing to go to the mat with you because I’m convinced I’m right. Let’s keep going.

            I’m going to assume you believe the following: Disney understands that casting non-white actors as white characters (based on prior depictions) is going to be controversial.

            Therefore, producing a movie with that knowledge in mind is an explicit choice, yes or no?

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              19 hours ago

              You can’t just do the movie-goer equivalent of “I can’t be racist because I have a black friend”. That doesn’t matter.

              I’m going to assume you believe the following: Disney understands that casting non-white actors as white characters (based on prior depictions) is going to be controversial.

              You assume incorrectly. Their choices are only controversial to chuds. It’s not controversial to anyone without that same ragebait agenda. Chuds happen to be an extremely loud minority, but they don’t buy tickets to children’s princess movies.

              This whole thing is just silly. You think they hired Rachel Zegler not because she was arguably the biggest breakthrough young actress that year and had just won a Golden Globe for her first ever film, but because her skin tone is two shades darker than a 90 year old cartoon? Seriously? You really think that?

              Be serious for a moment, because that’s obviously ridiculous.

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                You can’t just do the movie-goer equivalent of “I can’t be racist because I have a black friend”.

                Fucking watch me lol.

                Their choices are only controversial to chuds.

                Either they anticipate controversy or not.

                You think they hired Rachel Zegler because [thing]?

                Don’t strawman me. I told you what I think.

                be serious for a moment

                Can you retire this?

                “You can’t ACTUALLY be serious” is not a compelling argument. I already told you in my last post that I am sincere in what I believe


                You claim you don’t believe:

                Disney understands that casting non-white actors as white characters (based on prior depictions) is going to be controversial.

                Let me enlighten you.

                Disney was aware of the backlash for years and kept the casting

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                  None of that contradicts what I said. Of course they’re aware of the outsized backlash from the incel community. Of course they need to prepare their stars against the disgusting threats of your cohort. That doesn’t mean the South Park demographic has any financial weight behind it when it comes to Disney Princess movies.

                  And none of that even begins to suggest that they actual benefit from the anti-hype, and as I already pointed out, there’s a significant financial disincentive to cast a Black lead, because it loses the Chinese market.

                  So you’re just really bad at arguing. Your whole premise is easily dismissed by thinking about it for like a second. You just want to hate on Black Ariel for some reason you refuse to name, and you think that makes you clever. It doesn’t.

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                    15 hours ago

                    Of course they need to prepare their stars against the disgusting threats of your cohort.

                    I stopped reading here. You won. I’m out. Bye.