I don’t like spending this much time arguing against campism but they just keep talking at me.

  • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zipEnglish
    38·
    14 hours ago

    If you think communism on a large scale doesn’t have to be authoritarian, you haven’t looked enough at history and how humans work.

    • Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.netEnglish
      73·
      13 hours ago

      ![“The ultimate goal of our oppressors is to limit our imagination about what is possible without them, so that we might never imagine more for ourselves and the world we live in. We can only imagine what is in front of us because the power structure decrees that there are no alternatives other than what currently exists. We humans have lived the alternative for tens of thousands of years. We are capable of building a free society, a brighter future, because we already have ideas about what that might look like. We know what societies without bureaucracies are capable of.”

      — David Graeber, cultural anthropologist](https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/c8163253-8234-4e1a-b269-6757b1562bee.png)

      It is people who continue to claim that humanity must be authoritarian are the ones who have no idea of how humans work and are ignorant of history.

      • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zipEnglish
        35·
        11 hours ago

        This is such a cringe-inducing post. Like …

        We humans have lived the alternative for tens of thousands of years.

        Yeah in fucking caves and clay huts. In absolute poverty without security, safe food supply, healthcare and rights. If some dude wanted something you own and was stronger than you, he’d beat you up and then take it. What a glorious time to be alive.

        I had some half-finished text here, but I considered it unnecessary to argue with someone on lemmy about communism, so I deleted it and stopped.

    • BilSabab@lemmy.world
      23·
      14 hours ago

      like it is barely manageable to maintain farming collectives which is relatively small scale but anything past that is bound to endless ugly mutations into something unfair and cruel.

        • BilSabab@lemmy.world
          2·
          11 hours ago

          you don’t even need detractors to mess things up - the hierarchies and privileges form naturally over time - some are better performers and eventually they get more pull while others fall behind