Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Rep. Haley Stevens (D-Mich.) has “been with the Republicans” since Congress returned, after the Michigan Democrat endorsed former Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) in the midterms.
“She’s been with the Republicans ever since she’s come back. So she’s been on the Republican side of the aisle,” Ocasio-Cortez said during an appearance on “The Don Lemon Show” that aired Thursday.
“This is just the epitome of a certain kind of transactional politics,” she added. “And it’s really sad.”
The “moderate” Dems are just Republicans in sheep’s clothing. It’s a large reason why the symbolism behind removing Jefferies and Schumer is so important and not merely symbolic.
We have to start acknowledging that we now have a THIRD party - The Israel Party - that straddles both of the traditional parties. Many legislators are more loyal to the Israeli Party than either of the trad political parties. Dems like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, or Jared Moskowitz, will side with Israel before they support Democrats.
We need to encourage Democrats to NOT be part of the overlap.
Adam Hamilton who was just elected to Senate in Kansas was a Republican less than a year ago.
Look at Florida. Democrat establishment loves to run Republicans under a Dem banner
I’m curious as to who you would define as these “moderate democrats” outside of Haley Stevens and John Fetterman
They literally point out Chuck Schumer and Jefferies.
So two guys who are very much not “symbolically” Democrats. Idk how you guys take these comments seriously, they’re so over the top ridiculous.
The minority leaders for the parties aren’t symbolic?
Are you high?
The comments above aren’t talking about their job titles.
Jeffries and Schumer are corpo Dems but that doesn’t make them only “symbolically” Democrats. It does not put them on the same level as Fetterman and Stevens. That’s just conspiracy theory nonsense.
You might want to reread the parent comment. You’ve misunderstood it quite badly.
Well, there’s the Blue Dog Caucus. Actually, a bunch of them got elected this time around, along with the progressives.
Anyone who takes corporate/big money donations, for one. Especially AIPAC or their affiliates.
Your mistake is that you believe there are only “two sides”
While the MAGA Nazis may walk in lockstep with Adolf Trump’s ‘vision’, the rest of us have comes from a diverse group with a myriad of our own interests. and our greatest weakness? Our inability to work together to accomplish our collective goals.
Far greater than the Republicans, that is our greatest enemy we must overcome: our inability to work with our own allies to accomplish our collective goals. Democrats never fight any enemy harder than their own allies. That stupid and it must end immediately.
Edit: oh, you all CAN work together, apparently. Too bad it’s in service of the Nazis rather than trying to defeat them…
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This place sucks for political discussion. We finally have a substantial Dem majority and all these people want to do is whine and complain about it instead of finding common ground with the huge number of moderate Dems we just elected.
Lemmy is 90% basement dwellers who have lost touch with reality at this point. If you suggest any kind of realism, or god forbid optimism, they’ll lay you out for it.
We have a substantial majority and that’s reason to be optimistic, yes.
But it’s not reason to become complacent and cater to milquetoast centrism that only intends to appease the fascists while placating the masses and delivering nothing substantial.
We have a majority. We need to use it to deliver results with benefits people can feel, otherwise we won’t keep it, and we’ll backslide back into republican majorities again where they can continue furthering their destructive agenda.
These cycles have been going on as long as I’ve been alive. It’s time to break that cycle. We need change, and we need it now, and if we don’t succeed in that, not only is democracy as we know it going to die, but also society and the planet itself are going to die with it.
“This place is bad for political discussion because people don’t already agree with me.”
My comment was literally about trying to find common ground with people I disagree with. I’m not a moderate Dem.
It’s impossible to have a discussion when nearly every comment is just aggressively dooming about things that aren’t even happening.
They’re doing do because we’ve seen this song and dance before. We know what moderate Dems stand for and we know what they do when they’re in charge. You might disagree, but you can’t demand that people accept your disagreement without you backing it up with evidence and expect to be taken seriously.
And here we have a prime example of lemmy political discourse.
I can’t help it when this is literally what they’re saying.
Yes doubling down doesn’t illustrate their point at all.
I mean I’m not going to disbelieve my eyes for the sake of good-natured debate so sure?
“This is a great place for a political discussion because everyone agrees with me!”
See? That kind of bad faith both-sides bullshit works both ways.
And it proves the point being made
Except this is literally what they’re saying. They’re saying Lemmy is bad for political discussion and their exhibit A is that people disagree with them about this one thing. They might have more substantial reasons but those are not written in their reply. There’s nothing there for a neutral party to look at and think “this person is right.” Also for the record people here don’t always (or even most of the time) agree with me.
You’re trying to argue that a single comment should be used to characterize all of Lemmy, just because it’s convenient for your particular position right now, and you’re arguing that to the wrong person.
Because I’m not an idiot.
I legitimately have no idea what you’re talking about. Puts on asshole hat you might not be an idiot, but you might want to work on your reading comprehension.
If that were true, you would’ve walked away long ago. But the fact that you’re still here, trolling, proves that you’re engaged purely in bad faith in order to continue arguing with me for no other reason then, I suppose I hurt your feelings?
Grow up, get over it, and move the fuck on.
The fediverse largely has no understanding whatsoever of US civics. It’s fucking ridiculous what idiots here think about how the government functions. Most of them just want the US to collapse not realizing there’s a good chance they or someone they care about dies when that happens. Cuz it won’t happen quiet like. It’ll take down everything it can with it.
“collective goals”
^Found the non-American
Okay, now define what you actually want to do. Because if all you want to do is shut him up or impeach him without any reforms to the systems that allowed him to actually gain power then we don’t really have much to actually talk about. If you do have suggestions for economic, media, governmental, and even religious reforms then we do have something to talk about.
Fact of the matter is the circumstances that have lead to Trump are not isolate and if you want to not only defeat the person but also the ideology you must rip it apart at the roots.
What I want to do? Gee, I didn’t know I suddenly got elected to the office.
Lol
Since when do you need to be elected to office before you can express an opinion for the direction you think the country should go?
If holding political office was about doing what the elected representatives want, and not what’s best for their constituents, then what we have wouldn’t be a representative democracy. It would be an oligarchy.
Comments like yours sound like pro-oligarchy.
Gee, it sure seems easy to win an argument when you make your own rules.
Ignore what I said, pretend I said something else, and then hold it against me.
Is this how you deal with every troublesome situation? You just pretend something else happened that you can get yourself out of rather than deal with what really occurred?
See, this is what I mean by bad faith trolling. Come back with something rational or don’t come back at all.
When did I make up any rules?
This is what you said:
That seems to directly imply that you believe someone needs to be elected to office before they can talk about what they think should happen politically.
So what I said wasn’t a strawman. It was a response directly to the content of what you said.
This whole paragraph seems like projection because that describes pretty well what you’re doing in multiple places in this thread. Just accusing people and being combative and antagonistic towards any semblance of dialogue.
It’s like you’re parodying logic. Is the obvious role reversal part of a joke that I’m not catching, or are you seriously this self-unaware?
Lol, that’s a lot of words for, “I can’t accept a responsibility for my actions, so I’m just gonna blame you instead“
And it’s still a stupid argument.
Bro you’re the one being disingenuous.
I was trying to illistrate a point about how even if folks may technically agree that something is an issue they may or may not agree on how to solve said issue via dialog with you, mostly cause you were so quick to decry the active political friction that makes action rough at best. Which is to say I was trying to use a rhetorical strategy to make a point, which funnily enough your non answer illustrated quite well.
While it may seem silly such dialogs amongst laymen is useful. Also I may have listened to some Socratic dialogues early and my brain is currently in a very argument happy state right now and will probably be that way for the next couple days, don’t know if that’s better that the depressive state I got into after reading Of mice and men.
Oh, right, you were just trying to have a “dialogue“.
lol
Aye, that I was. I like arguing and a dialogue is simply are an argument where I don’t start throwing profanities around like a fish hawker.
The rest of us just call that sort of adversarial, bad-faith bullshit “trolling”
Like what you’re doing here?
Thats not what trolling is.
If you think dialogue is the same thing as adversarial bad-faith trolling, then you might be the troll…
The fact that we both don’t like the psychotic dude over there doesn’t make us friends.
Sounds like that’s a good thing for me
I agree wholeheartedly.